You can try to discredit Bob Lazar all you want, now it appears he is telling the truth. Immagine that.
http://www.gravitywarpdrive.com/Element_115.htm
http://www.gravitywarpdrive.com/Element_115.htm
SkinWalker said:It would appear that Ufoology's foremost Ufoologist disagrees with regard to Lazar's credibility: http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/sflazar.html
http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc61.htm
Here's another link that debunks the guy: http://www.serve.com/mahood/lazar/lazarmn.htm
Don't you think you're being just a little close-minded Starman? Not accepting the possibility that the claims you are reading are ficitious and concocted in the mind of a deranged person fit Occam's Razor far better than the alternative: that Lazar was a supersecret researcher who smuggled out a secret element...
Did I miss something? Bob Lazar claimed that 115 was stable, but the scientists created 115 and it "rapidly decayed to Element 113".Bob Lazar stated that the Element 115 used as the fuel and gravity source in the “Sport Model” Flying Disc was stable. On February 2, 2004, scientists at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, in collaboration with researchers from the Joint Institute for Nuclear Research in Russia (JINR), announced that they discovered two new super-heavy elements, Element 113 and Element 115. The Isotope of Element 115, produced by bombarding an Americium-243 (95Am243) nucleus with a Calcium-48 (20Ca48) nucleus, rapidly decayed to Element 113. then continued to decay until a meta-stable isotope was obtained.
If Lazar is one of these "current science is total nonsense" people, that is sufficient reason for dismissing him out of hand (alongside that Final Theory guy, a critique of whose book I have yet to complete for amazon.com, but I will).want to take some time here to talk about scientific progress, because there is one common objection to my critique of Lazar’s scenario. People will often say “Modern science could be wrong. Newton was wrong! Lazar could be right!” Yes. That is correct. In fact, modern science almost certainly IS “wrong.” But the only real test of a theory in science is that it works. Newton’s Laws worked. They still do in most situations. Einstein’s theories are better – they are more accurate and they work in more situations. New theories will continue to come along that are more precise and more generally applicable than the older theories, and these new theories will be tested by experiments until they supplant the old ones. That is how science has progressed for the past 400 years.
So it is not enough to SAY that modern science is wrong. You have to demonstrate that you have something that is better. And that “better” theory needs to do everything that the old theory does, and then do more. And chances are that it won’t completely turn the old theory on it’s head – because we already know that the old theories work too well. It is not possible to create a new theory until you understand the old one well enough to present a coherent alternative. Calling current science “total nonsense” is nice rhetoric, and no doubt convincing to many non-scientists who feel alienated from science and look on scientists as a kind of modern priesthood of arcane knowledge. But science is a process – not a body of knowledge.
He is, but ironically throws as many pop-science buzzwords in as possible.If Lazar is one of these "current science is total nonsense" people,
Silas said:Did I miss something? Bob Lazar claimed that 115 was stable, but the scientists created 115 and it "rapidly decayed to Element 113".
SkinWalker said:Stanton Friedman is after all a phsyicist.
SkinWalker said:I'm sorry. I thought the whole spurious claim involving "element 115" was exactly the kind of thing we should expect a physicist to be able to comment on with authority. I agree that Friedman is a better physicist than investigator (his silly rants about UFOs and Roswell are evidence of this), but even cult members within the UFO community are skeptical about Lazar and have long considered him to be a nutjob.
What difference does that make? Why don't I theorise about the properties of element 120 (or Unbinullium as it will be called), then I'll call you in 5, 10, or 30 years when it gets synthesised and say "I told you so."I have to surmise that element 115 did not exist when Lazar was talking about it and still it is just becoming known.
SkinWalker said:I agree that Friedman is a better physicist than investigator (his silly rants about UFOs and Roswell are evidence of this), but even cult members within the UFO community are skeptical about Lazar and have long considered him to be a nutjob.
VRob said:You are a freakin tool.
You're ignorance is only overshadowed by your arrogance.
Silas said:Starman, I like the way you got that Gene Huff synopsis from the Lazar debunking site! Gene Huff is evidently not an unbiased commentator, but (as stated on the homepage) "Lazar's friend and vocal supporter". It has to be said that the opinion of a Las Vegas real estate appraiser is not really going to cut it here, credibility-wise.
What difference does that make?
I thought you were saying that Bob Lazar had "gained credibility" because element 115 had been created and was found to be stable. I didn't realise that you thought that because he named element 115, and then element 115 was actually synthesised, that Lazar gained credibility because he somehow "knew" about an element which didn't exist yet. Newsflash, any element over 110 may or may not occur in nature, but it will likely have certain properties, based upon it's family and the known facts about electron shells and atomic nuclei. Bob Lazar's knowledge of those properties does not require the intervention of alien intelligence.