Biogeographical Falsification of Subduction

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OilIsMastery

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Topic: If the Pacific Ocean/Ring of Fire is subducting and the Pacific Ocean is shrinking as required by subduction, how is it possible that Australia was once connected to South America?

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Most of the marsupials alive today are confined to South America and Australia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsupial

There are about 334 species of marsupial, and over 200 are native to Australia and neighboring northern islands. There are also 100 extant American species; these are centered mostly in South America
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Harrison, L., The Migration Route of the Australian Marsupial Fauna, Australian Zoologist, Volume 3, Pages 247-263, 1924

Briggs, J.C., The Ultimate Expanding Earth Hypothesis, Journal of Biogeography, Volume 31, Issue 5, Pages 855 - 857, 2004

McCarthy, Biogeographical and Geological Evidence for a Smaller, Completely-Enclosed Pacific Basin in the Late Cretaceous, Journal of Biogeography, Volume 32, Issue 12, Pages 2161 - 2177, 2005

"Biogeographic arguments for a closed Pacific (just like biogeographic arguments for a closed Atlantic and closed Indian) are based on evolutionary theory. Specifically, according to the theory of evolution, you can't have a host of closely-related, poor dispersing taxa suddenly appearing on opposite sides of an ocean -- when it is highly improbable for any of the ancestral taxa to cross oceans. So according to the referenced paper above, unless plate tectonic theorists want to rely on divine intervention, a slew of creation stories or a myriad of impossible trans-oceanic crossings of terrestrial taxa, their paleomaps are wrong. Panthalassa could not have existed between all of the hundred plus referenced taxa, which is to say, it didn't exist." -- Dennis McCarthy, biogeographer, 2003

Ali, J.R., Biogeographical and Geological Evidence or a Smaller, Completely-Enclosed Pacific Basin in the Late Cretaceous: a Comment, Journal of Biogeography, Volume 33, Issue 9, Pages 1670-1674, 2006

Briggs, J.C., Another Expanding Earth Paper, Journal of Biogeography, Volume 33, Issue 9, Pages 1674 - 1676, 2006

Ebach, M.C., and Tangney, R.S., Biogeography In A Changing World, 2007

"The present-day cordilleran system of eastern Australia was formed in still earlier times; it arose at the same time as the earlier folds in South and North America, which formed the basis of the Andes (pre- cordilleras), at the leading edge of the continental blocks, then drifting as a whole before dividing." -- Wegener, A., The Origin of Continents and Oceans, 1915

"All marine fossils from 200 million years ago or earlier are found exclusively on continental locations -- just as expanding Earth theory predicts. That's because all large marine environments pre-Jurassic were epicontinental seas -- not oceans. Incredibly, if we deny expanding Earth theory, all the pre-Jurassic oceanic marine fossils must have vanished, along with all pre-Jurassic oceanic crust, as well as all of the fossils of all the trans-Pacific taxa that simply "walked" from one location to the other. Hmmm. Even your mainstream fixist geologist counterparts of the first half of the twentieth century didn't have to accept that many miracles." -- Dennis McCarthy, biogeographer, 2003
 
Do you ever post any original thoughts, or do you just rip things off of other people?
 
BenTheMan said:
Do you ever post any original thoughts, or do you just rip things off of other people?
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Afraid of scientific references?

No I don't post my "original thoughts" since I'm not a genius like you.

Interesting that you consider scientific citations and references which you almost always fail to provide as "ripping people off."
 
Oil. You know there is the continent of Zealandia between Australia and South America don't you?
 
No but it lays beneath New Zealand. Incidentally Australia's current Tectonic movement is 35 Degree's east of North according to the Wikipedia and moving at a whopping 67mm's a year. (That's about 1 metre every 15 years.)
 
Stryder said:
No but it lays beneath New Zealand.
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Due to the expansion of the Earth, it's possible that New Zealand will one day grow into a continent.

Incidentally Australia's current Tectonic movement is 35 Degree's east of North according to the Wikipedia and moving at a whopping 67mm's a year. (That's about 1 metre every 15 years.)
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According to SLR (satellite laser ranging) data from the LAGEOS satellite, Australia is moving West away from Peru at a rate 65.3 mm/year.

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Smith, D. E., et al, 1993. "SLR Results from LAGEOS."
 
Here are actual references to peer reviewed papers discussing the VLBI data, SLR data, GPS data, etc.

"The Pacific would have to contract fairly rapidly to maintain a constant Earth diameter since the Atlantic is widening and Antarctic plate is also growing in size....Instead, the SLR geodesic data in the South American frame of reference show Pacific Basin perimeter expansion, more pronounced in the South Pacific than the North Pacific, despite concurrent geodesic convergence at Pacific trenches. This is startling since convergence rates at the Tonga Trench are the world's fastest (Bevis et al., 1995)"

Shields, O., "Geodetic Proof of Earth Expansion?" New Concepts in Global Tectonics. Sept. 1997, pp 17-18., 1997

http://www.ncgt.org/newsletter.php?action=download&id=25&PHPSESSID=8832083435f6f6f5f6694499c5e4e171

Another example from "Monitoring the Earth":

http://books.google.com/books?id=FqNISQ1Zt_UC&printsec=frontcover

"On the whole, the notion of an expanding Earth is not in favour, but the topic may be revived by global geodesy, witness the recent claim that SLR to LAGEOS (Laser Geodynamics Satellite: see Frontispiece) and VLBI data for stable continental regions indicate an increase of 4.15 +/- .27 mm/yr in terrestrial radius since the techniques came into operation (Scalera 2000)."

And perhaps the most careful treatment is of course Maxlow's PhD thesis: http://adt.curtin.edu.au/theses/available/adt-WCU20020117.145715/unrestricted/13Appendices.pdf
 
Oil maybe if you understood the theory your try(very poorly I might add) to disprove you would realize your just making a fool out of your self.
 
OilIsMastery said:
Do you think the Pacific Ocean is expanding?
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I'm not sure. It depends on the net movement of the various plates.

OilIsMastery said:
According to SLR (satellite laser ranging) data from the LAGEOS satellite, Australia is moving West away from Peru at a rate 65.3 mm/year.
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If this is true, then it looks to me like the Pacific Ocean is expanding.

Don't you read your own material?
 
James R said:
I'm not sure. It depends on the net movement of the various plates.
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Well if you're not sure then you've just converted to agnostism with respect to plate tectonics vs expansion tectonics.

If this is true, then it looks to me like the Pacific Ocean is expanding.

Don't you read your own material?
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If the Pacific Ocean is expanding, then plate tectonics is a lie and the Earth is expanding.

See here: http://www.4threvolt.com/EEmovie2.html
 
Okay you guys lets just let this thread go. It is going to end up being spekulation because by the time we all will know for sure we will all be long dead. By probably a few million years.
 
fedr808 said:
Okay you guys lets just let this thread go. It is going to end up being spekulation because by the time we all will know for sure we will all be long dead. By probably a few million years.
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Wrong. Plate tectonics fundamentalists are omniscient demigods who cannot possibly speculate because they have perfect infallible wisdom, apodeictic epistemic certainty, and extra sensory geological powers.
 
OilIsMastery said:
Due to the expansion of the Earth, it's possible that New Zealand will one day grow into a continent.


According to SLR (satellite laser ranging) data from the LAGEOS satellite, Australia is moving West away from Peru at a rate 65.3 mm/year.

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Smith, D. E., et al, 1993. "SLR Results from LAGEOS."
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Wrong answer.

New Zealand is already a continent (Zelandia).

Just most of it is submerged - the island chains that we see are the highest 'mountain ranges'.

Bonus points for anyone who can name why Zelandia is unusual (and unique) on the earth (Clue - it has nothing to do with being largely submerged).
 
C'mon OIM, even I know why the Zealandia island chain is unique, because of the way it used to be part of Antarctica/Australia, back when they were next to what is now the Indian subcontinent. Why that Benioff zone seismic chart is a bit more interesting than you realise.
 
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