Bias against Female Scientists???
- Thread starter S.A.M.
- Start date
Yes. Yes I have. It's a situational disorder.samcdkey said:
Thanks sam. I know. That's what my wife says "just let it go". Not so easy when your a big, burly, income generating machine with a busted income manifold...thingy.samcdkey said:
But...but...my sheep! How will I feed the SHEEP!!!samcdkey said:
Excuse me? :bugeye:samcdkey said:
Nine Border Leicester sheep: Alish, Vera, Irene, and... I can't remember the rest of their names
One goat: Elmer (The Fudster)
Two dogs: Sunny, Peanut.
Two cats: Elsie, Mr. Kitters.
One angora bunny: Aurora.
One bird: Doyle.
Edit: Matilda... Of course, Aries, born of Rica! Our first! How could I forget.
One goat: Elmer (The Fudster)
Two dogs: Sunny, Peanut.
Two cats: Elsie, Mr. Kitters.
One angora bunny: Aurora.
One bird: Doyle.
Edit: Matilda... Of course, Aries, born of Rica! Our first! How could I forget.
We had to call in the vet to birth Aries. He was backward.
First, sheep and goats are suprisingly self sufficient in the pasture. Make sure the water trough is full. Trim the limping ones hooves. Give the goat a bit of grain every few days. Shear the sheep in the fall. That's about it. In the winter, the goat goes in the barn (he's a wimp when it comes to cold) and the sheep get hay bales and grain supplements every night. Cats are easy. Dogs are easy. Birds and bunnies are easy.samcdkey said:
So, gender bias in science. First, there has to be something put in place to ensure fair hiring and pay without regard to gender. Scientists are fond of double-blind testing (for a good reason - it works). Use something akin to the double-blind approach to hiring and pay. Some form of independent agency within the Human Resources department or something. Could be difficult, but it could work.
Second, use a similar approach to promotion. An independent double-blind review of work and accomplishments. The name of the authors on papers should be irrelevant.
Since the personality of the person is always of interest in hiring or promotion to certain positions the process then might include a gender neutral assessment, reviewed by a board of peers - another thing scientists are fond of.
Just some basic thoughts...
Ha! I mean breech. How would you tell if a sheep was mentally challenged?samcdkey said:
The vets intern/apprentice had to reach inside and rotate the wee one. I had to hold Rica. The moaning sounds she made were amazingly human. Once aries was out (not breathing) the vet literally swung him around by his legs to get fluid out of his lungs. Then gave him a shot of some kind of stimulant (forget which) and then he started breathing. It was all really very neat.
superluminal said:
Amazing
Hard to implement; associate professors send in CVs but they require a personal presentation of their work and experience before the department to be considered and only full professors get to decide who stays and who does not.
Again, a departmental decision. Who is eligible, how many publications(which again are another story, with gender bias in acceptance of papers), impact factor (another factor with women being cited less), years of experience ( not the same for men and women).
Already done. The department is the board of peers.
So you see? This problem is almost intractable until you "automate" the process to some degree to minimize the male/female interaction dynamic. The only other solution is to force the issue. Since males, on average, will always be males (unless you're willing to wait for evolution to make some changes) the only other solution I see is the one applied to racial discrepancies - quotas. Apply quotas until society gets used to having females in higher positions and getting promoted above men in larger numbers. What else is there? Educating men to be more sensitive to this? That may work to some degree, but I can't imagine it being very much. We're dealing with fundamental human nature here.samcdkey said:
superluminal said:
Do you think the quota system has helped dilute racial discrimination?
I know you're right but it seems self defeating to give someone a job merely based on gender, wouldn't you say.
What about reforming science education in school so it's more gender neutral?
i.e. so there is less of a tendency to associate a particular gender; teach it in a way that takes into consideration the differences between the sexes in approaching the subject?
I have no idea. I do know, however, that it has inflamed and accentuated the issue racial of "equality". Maybe this is a good thing...samcdkey said:
Yes.
So you see, as a male, I don't know what this means. Do you have some example of how the teaching of something like newtonian physics currently has a gender approach to it? I seriously don't know.