See I knew there was more: He restarted the production and development of nuclear weaponry. Instead of dismanteling what was already around.
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Bashing republican\democrats thread
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tiassa said:
Oh I know you quite well. You say..."IT IS MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY".
Fine. Stay. What you see now in Iraq is just a Teaser. This Battle will be Fought on Your Shores too.
Ah, the Tyranny of spreading Freedom and Democracy on an Uncaring Populace
Ah. the Trials and Tribulations of teaching Them that... "There is a Better Way"
Ah, tis a Heavy Burden the White Man Beareth
Gustav said:
And?
This is neither a surprise nor a great fear of mine.
See? You're already forgetting history.
Pay attention; you'll embarrass yourself less.
Yeah, the uncaring part is problematic, but in the end it will always be those folks' problem until they decide to change.
And how. I always wonder what is the point assuming such burdens for oneself.
On the other hand, if we follow your celebrations and say that killing children is the best way, well ... we Americans will still be here when the Iraqis are long gone, having destroyed their own future in order to protest the one foisted on them by a rogue American government.
I sympathize with the protest against American meddling and motives, but no, the "brilliant" (
) strategy of killing off all the children in Iraq won't get the Iraqi insurgency anything.Maybe we'll carry out full-on Genocide and wipe out ALL the adults and children, but I doubt it. Some will probably survive. And since the average Iraqi 12 year old boy is probably already tougher and more determined than the average American adult . . . . we are really screwed when the surviving kids grow up. They will be *pissed off*.
Gravity:
Are you Iraqi? (I hadn't realized.)
An aspect you might have overlooked: The issue of killing children relates to Gustav's of the "Noble Iraqi insurgent" and the celebration of the "brilliant" tactic by the insurgency of mowing down children.
If that tactic is so brilliant, we arrive at the natural question: What happens when there's no children left to kill?
It seems to me that if there are no young Iraqis to grow up and become adult Iraqis, Iraq will at some point face a crisis in running out of Iraqis. Only the rocks live forever, and that's a hack line from the first episode of Centennial.
Are you Iraqi? (I hadn't realized.)
An aspect you might have overlooked: The issue of killing children relates to Gustav's of the "Noble Iraqi insurgent" and the celebration of the "brilliant" tactic by the insurgency of mowing down children.
If that tactic is so brilliant, we arrive at the natural question: What happens when there's no children left to kill?
It seems to me that if there are no young Iraqis to grow up and become adult Iraqis, Iraq will at some point face a crisis in running out of Iraqis. Only the rocks live forever, and that's a hack line from the first episode of Centennial.
Actually, it's very simple. You wrote the word "we":
Now, look at the beginning of that sentence: "Maybe we'll carry out full-on Genocide . . . ."
This seems to pertain to my question regarding the future of Iraq: And when all the children are dead, who will carry on Iraq?
This question responds to your point: Maybe, but I wouldn't count on it. Iraq was around *long* before America, and may well survive long after.
That seems to be beside the point; the question at hand has to do with a simple reality: no offspring, no future for the collective. If there are no Iraqi children left, who will become Iraqi adults when the present Iraqi adults die off according to nature or rifles or bombs?
Interestingly, when you made your point about how long Iraq has been around, you picked up after an ellipsis, although an admittedly stylistic one.
The portion you focused on--
Tiassa said:
--is part of a response to Gustav, and refers to a portion of this very topic in which Gustav praised the "Noble Iraqi Insurgent" for the "brilliant" attack which targeted children and left thirty-five dead. (I refer you to these three posts: Gustav - 1, Tiassa - 1, Gustav - 2)
Thus we are left with a question: If the Noble Iraqi Insurgents' strategy of killing children is brilliant, who will carry Iraq in the future if all the children are dead?
Thus, if we include what came before the ellipsis in your response--
Tiassa said:
--we can see that the issue of why the Americans will be here after the Iraqis are long gone is a simple matter of logic: If all the children are killed in brilliant insurgent attacks, there will be no more Iraqis once the current adults are gone.
Like I noted in my response to you: And when all the children are dead, who will carry on Iraq?
And then you wrote, "Maybe we'll carry out full-on Genocide and wipe out All the adults and children but I doubt it."
Who's this we?
Should I have simply told you to pay attention and read again? Well, what if you were Iraqi?
So I asked. And perhaps instead of "I hadn't realized," I should have noted, "It has not occurred to me before this moment that you might be". But asking you should be easier than using my mod power to find out what continent you're on.
Gravity said:
Perhaps if you had read the rest of my response instead of flying off the handle--
--you might have found some clarification.
In the end, all that happened is that you flipped the meaning of what constituted "we". And that seems a simple error, not a deliberate change of subject.
So help me out--what part goes here? Do I call you illiterate and tell you to buy a clue, like I do to more deliberate folks? Do I just say, "F. U. you twisted idiot"?
I mean ... what?
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Sorry I don't have the time you clearly have to post a detailed reply. I'm impressed, and sorry for you, over the effort. If my writing appears illiterate to you, then I'm impressed once again, for you must have extremely high standards!
But you know, somebody who bases their identity on the tool they use - clearly drawing superior feelings from it (why point out what the heck you are typing on otherwise in your tagline?!) -- may well hide behind long dedication and work into each post, but will always appear somewhat shallow nonetheless.
But you know, somebody who bases their identity on the tool they use - clearly drawing superior feelings from it (why point out what the heck you are typing on otherwise in your tagline?!) -- may well hide behind long dedication and work into each post, but will always appear somewhat shallow nonetheless.
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THE PREMISE
All the SHIT that goes down in Iraq is a Consequence of the Murderous and Bloody American Invasion.
THEREFORE:
A string of bombs killed 35 children and wounded scores of others as U.S. troops handed out candy Thursday at a government-sponsored celebration to inaugurate a sewage plant. It was the largest death toll of children in any insurgent attack since the start of the Iraq conflict. link
So Ahh...Kids Dead (Collateral Damage)... Gratitude turns to Hatred, Reconstruction into Destruction.
Fucking Bliss!
Ole Hassan Screams in Anguish, "The Candy Incident is the Invaders Fault"!
An Iraqi militant group said on Tuesday it had abducted 11 members of the Iraqi National Guard and posted their pictures on its website, three days after 49 unarmed army recruits were found dead. link
A Tried and Tested Line in any Insurgent Manifesto
COLLABORATING WITH THE ENEMY IS PUNISHABLE BY DEATH
Ummm, Thoughts?
All the SHIT that goes down in Iraq is a Consequence of the Murderous and Bloody American Invasion.
THEREFORE:
A string of bombs killed 35 children and wounded scores of others as U.S. troops handed out candy Thursday at a government-sponsored celebration to inaugurate a sewage plant. It was the largest death toll of children in any insurgent attack since the start of the Iraq conflict. link
So Ahh...Kids Dead (Collateral Damage)... Gratitude turns to Hatred, Reconstruction into Destruction.
Fucking Bliss!
Ole Hassan Screams in Anguish, "The Candy Incident is the Invaders Fault"!
An Iraqi militant group said on Tuesday it had abducted 11 members of the Iraqi National Guard and posted their pictures on its website, three days after 49 unarmed army recruits were found dead. link
A Tried and Tested Line in any Insurgent Manifesto
COLLABORATING WITH THE ENEMY IS PUNISHABLE BY DEATH
Ummm, Thoughts?
* As for tiassa's Obsession with NOBLE IRAQI INSURGENT" and "BRILLIANT"
Tasty little Morsels, eh? Cannot get Enough, huh? However...
My Disavowal and a Consideration of the Insurgent POV was Disingenuously Misinterpreted or, Simply Ignored.
Perhaps, it is because, after all this time, it remains an Unfathomable Mystery, to Some, FEEBLE OF MIND, why the Iraqi people are UP IN ARMS OVER THIS SHIT.
Tasty little Morsels, eh? Cannot get Enough, huh? However...
Gustav said:
My Disavowal and a Consideration of the Insurgent POV was Disingenuously Misinterpreted or, Simply Ignored.
Perhaps, it is because, after all this time, it remains an Unfathomable Mystery, to Some, FEEBLE OF MIND, why the Iraqi people are UP IN ARMS OVER THIS SHIT.
Lmao, oh yeah, we're the ones who are suppose to die right? Let me ask you a question if someone came running at you with a knife ready to kill you no matter what you say or do and you had a gun, what would you do? Well looking at your last post I would assume you would just let that man kill you.
Well kerry's not going to kill us directly but his means of dealing with this war (or rather what he isn't going to do for this war) is going to get us killed. Gravity, what is kerry going to do about this war?
Well first, I doubt Kerry is going to get into office. I believe the Neo-cons believe so strongly that the end justify's the means, and that their ''end'' is right (and ''rightous") - I think they will do whatever necessary to keep power. This may well not be a democracy anymore.
2cd - I think if Kerry does get into office, he is being handed a ******** chalice and that Iraq is a quagmire that is going to get worse and make anybody in power look bad.
Perhaps Kerry *won't* kiss ass as much with the REAL forces behind terrorism - like the Saudia Arabian Royal family. Who, its sick that we have to remind folks about even, have funded and continue to fund lots of terrorist activity against the USA and other western interests. From where 14 of the 19 9/11 hijackers hail from -- and etc.
Internationally, it might help the USA regain some credibility though if we can say "yes, we had a bunch of militaristic isolationaist religious fundamentalist whacko's in charge for four years - but we've fixed it. You can buy American products again, you can visit here, you can invest in our nation again, etc."
Personally, I fear this is all largely becoming irrelevant though. The very fact that the neo-cons have been able to accomplish what they have without a revolution, shows that the sickness of our country runs far deeper than just the executive branch.
"Oh Canada . . . "
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Ok, this is really weird. On that last message of mine the forum software here is turning the word P-O-I-S-O-N-E-D into ******** WTF? I edited it back to the word, then it reset it. Huh? I said "ass" in the same post and it let that through!
Anybody know what thats about?
I'm going to experiment some now with some varitions on the word:
poison
poisons
poisonous
********
poisonation (made up word - sounds like a word Bush would use)
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Hmmm, ok - it only did it when the word ends in an ED. Pretty weird!
Anybody know what thats about?
I'm going to experiment some now with some varitions on the word:
poison
poisons
poisonous
********
poisonation (made up word - sounds like a word Bush would use)
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Hmmm, ok - it only did it when the word ends in an ED. Pretty weird!
Tiassa's got a good point, which translated into my lexicon is, what kind of people WOULD NOT repel a foreign power attempting to take over and supplant their culture and belief systems with its own?
GO GO INSURGENCY GO!
GO GO INSURGENCY GO!