Bashing republican\democrats thread

Short list

New York Times: http://nytimes.com/2004/10/17/opinion/17sun1.html

International Brotherhood of Police Officers: http://www.ibpo.org/press.html#johnkerry

Bush's Hometown Newspaper: http://www.iconoclast-texas.com/Columns/Editorial/editorial39.htm

The Oregonian (#1): http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oreg...ndex.ssf?/base/editorial/1097323439152041.xml

The Oregonian (#2) http://www.oregonlive.com/campaignc...ndex.ssf?/base/editorial/1097409458114160.xml

Various links regarding endorsements. This post has been updated; commentary on the topic will come later.
 
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And there are lies and damned lies. You know that. If only you had an actual point, G, posting that link in this topic might be useful.
 
Maybe this doesn't deserve it's own thread, I'll leave that to the moderator. But I was pleasantly surprised to see any member of the "mainstream media" endorse a republican candidate. Kind of a man bites dog deal. None of your posts are surprising, exept perhaps the hometown paper one. Even that story is not as significant as it seems. It certainly doesn't represent the majority opinion in Crawford, Texas. See this quote regarding the response in Crawford to the Kerry endorsement( the "paper" referenced here is the same issue which featured the Kerry endorsement):

Even the front page of the paper announces a sale on paperweights trumpeting Crawford as the home to the president. According to Smith, he's gotten more grief than support over the editorial. Smith says the locals are convinced, "the Taliban and I are in cahoots." One local merchant has said she would rather "burn the paper than sell it" since the editorial was published. Local store owner Theresa Bowdoin went on, http://www.plastic.com/article.html;sid=04/09/30/05564647;cmt=17
 
Mr. G said:

If only you possessed more powers than you actually do, T.

Yes, laser-eyes and bulletproof tights would certainly help me save the world.
 
Well, we can't all be God. You have yet to learn that, child.
 
Madanthonywayne said:

But I was pleasantly surprised to see any member of the "mainstream media" endorse a republican candidate.

In 1992, The Oregonian (who endorses Kerry this time 'round) gave their nod to Bill Clinton. It was the first time, I think, in the paper's history it had endorsed a Democrat for president. Maybe the second, by something like decades.

Even that story is not as significant as it seems. It certainly doesn't represent the majority opinion in Crawford, Texas.

True, but then why are folks over at FOX News emailing notes about how they don't like their newspaper giving endorsements?

Certain people in a community are expected to think, see, and operate to a certain degree outside the mainstream. Teachers, clergy, and press alike are expected to recognize the limitations of the community; their jobs involve communication. Sometimes it is their job to assert objectivity in the face of popular sentiment.

There is the argument concerning newspaper endorsements in general, but if, as one FOX viewer put it, some people can't think for themselves, what's the difference? Without an allegedly well-considered nod toward one position or the other--e.g. a newspaper endorsement--their vote won't be any more or less educated. The thing is that the press has let down its end of the bargain, and that's an understandable lamentation, especially for a FOX viewer. If the danger of newspaper endorsements--again deferring to a FOX News viewer--is that those without a clue will simply vote for a candidate because they recognize, say, John Kerry's name from a newspaper endorsement, well, in theory this is a step better than saying "eenie meenie miney mo", or "whose name sounds less Jewish" or some such. Of course, this is why the press needs to pick up the ball and get rolling again.

And yes, I hold a newspaper editor willing to write an endorsement as better-informed and better-considered in said endorsement than a local guy upset because his newspaper bet against the hometown boy. After all, knowledge and wisdom relevant to politics are actually part of the newspaper editor's job description. This is not true of just anybody in any given town, and not necessarily fulfilled by said editor.

However, as the Iconoclast endorses John Kerry, it is an interesting consideration as to why. Or perhaps I didn't realize that Crawford is more scathingly liberal than Austin.

In the larger picture, I think you'll find endorsements much more balanced than most conservatives would expect when complaining about the media. Start counting up the local endorsements in local newspapers, and they will even out in a large-enough sample. I mean, think of it: Portland, Oregon ... and yet it was scandalous in 1992 when the paper endorsed a Democrat for president. Of course, those same conservatives who found it scandalous that their bastion of conservative endorsement had rolled to Bill would be used to it in a couple of years when the paper wasn't critical enough of Portland's mayor to suit their needs; after all, it's a liberal media conspiracy, or something.

The only thing that annoys me about endorsements is when they don't make sense. I might find the Tribune editors to have a rather strange perspective and thus a skewed sense of priorities, but nothing struck me as completely outrageous. I mean, certainly I find the idea of provoking people into giving us a reason to "defend" ourselves rather ridiculous, but they're the editors of the Chicago Tribune, not me. And they are apparently fans of this policy. And there is a legitimate political theory behind such behavior, but we Americans prefer those kinds of governments to be run by puppet clients, and not our own institutions.

However, I do recall that down in Oregon, the Salem Statesman-Uri ... I mean, Statesman-Journal endorsed a certain candidate for governor as the sitting officer was not seeking re-election. The editors wrote that the candidate they endorsed was a very regular-sort of guy, very unlike the former governor, who was too intelligent for the office. It had to be one of the funniest things I've ever read, but in the end it only proved the alternative title that was popular ten years ago. Or maybe longer. Anyway ....

I won't argue with your enthusiasm; I would, however, ask you to take a look around at various endorsements as you might stumble across them, and take a look at non-presidential endorsements. In any other year, at least, I've not really been able to pin down a "liberal media bias" in the broader view, and I remember being flabbergasted when I was younger that our local papers would endorse a Poppy Bush or Slade Gorton; at the time, though, it was the 1980s, and the conventional wisdom said to bet on the most ferocious dog that promised you the most money. There might be a reason more newspapers aren't endorsing Bush; it might have to do with the man himself.

Your own example, discussing the response to the Iconoclast endorsement of Kerry, pretty much shows the difference. The editors of the Iconoclast, like editors all over the country, are judging the candidates on what they think actually matters to people's quality of life. The folks accusing a Taliban conspiracy? They're judging the candidates based on some primitivist jingoism: the hometown boy can do no wrong.
 
Bush & Bulge

The Battle of Bush's Bulge
The Continuing Controversy

The whole thing seems to be playing out beyond camera range, but the discussion of Bush's bulge continues. Dan Froomkin, of the Washington Post, summarizes in today's "White House Briefing":

The Post's Mike Allen took several questions about the Bush "bulge" on Friday's Live Online.

Are you guys still working on the story, he was asked.

"Oy. Yes, we remain interested in this story, mainly because so many people are talking about it and because the White House and campaign responses have been so contradictory. Democrats love it -- Mike McCurry talked with reporters on the Kerry plane on Wednesday about how the alleged bulge in the back of Bush's jacket continues to pay play out on the blogosphere and TV. 'It's been on the Internet for a week,' McCurry said. Bush aides will tell you it is ridiculous, but they can't explain the bulge. Some of them tell you it's a cheap suit, some of them tell you it's one of his best suits. I thought maybe it was a Secret Service James Bond device, but they swear it is not. And they say he was not wearing a vest. Anybody who can help solve the mystery, I welcome your thoughts."

Well why not ask Bush directly, he was asked.

"The last time the president took questions from the full press corps was when he appeared in the Rose Garden with Iraq's interim prime minister, Ayad Allawi, on Sept. 23, and he did not call on any newspaper reporters," Allen wrote.

Tim Russert did ask Bush campaign manager Ken Mehlman directly, on Meet the Press yesterday -- and did not get a serious response. Here's the exchange:

"MR. RUSSERT: Before we go, Mr. Mehlman, clear up this mystery that has been raging on the Internet. This was the first debate, George Bush at the podium, the bulge in the back of the suit. All right. Come clean. What is it?

"MR. MEHLMAN: The president, in fact, was receiving secret signals from aliens in outer space. You heard it here on Meet the Press. . . .

"MR. RUSSERT: It was not a bulletproof vest or magnets for his back or anything?

"MR. MEHLMAN: I'm not sure what it was, but the gentleman responsible for the tailoring of that suit is no longer working for this administration."

Elisabeth Bumiller writes in the New York Times: "The bulge -- the strange rectangular box visible between the president's shoulder blades in the first debate -- has set off so much frenzied speculation on the Internet that it has become what literary critics call an objective correlative, or an object that evokes large emotions and ideas."


]WashingtonPost.com

What's interesting about the story, obviously, is the way the Bush administration is handling it. Mark McKinnon, whose name comes up in both the Rove bugging scandal of 1986 and the Bush videotape scandal in 2000 (see Austin Chronicle), has even go so far as to declare, "Listen, I'm there when he puts his coat on, I'm there when he takes it off, I've never seen it" (see NewYork Times). Strangely, in Bumiller's (NYT) article, DNC Chairman Terry McAuliffe is the only person giving anything resembling a rational response:

Terry McAuliffe, the chairman of the Democratic National Committee, was considerably more caustic. "I think George Bush lives in the twilight zone,'' he said after Wednesday's debate.

As for the bulge, Mr. McAuliffe said that "if he had an earpiece on during that debate and those are the best answers that he could do, then he should be impeached and everybody who works for him should never be allowed to work again.''

Finished with his sound bite, Mr. McAuliffe grew serious. "I honestly don't think the man is going to risk his presidency taking a transmitter into the debate," he said. "I just can't imagine."


New York Times

Unfortunately, the GOP has shot down the secret-service aspect, which most of us who agree with Mr. McAuliffe's reflections on the gravity of running for president. Most curious.

Of course, this plays into the Rove hand. It should be mentioned that, while Froomkin hardly echoes that sentiment, the "White House Briefing" devotes a considerable amount of attention to Karl Rove.

However, the GOP is willing to let this one roll. Nobody's giving straight answers, and some--like McKinnon's--are downright laughable. Ken Mehlman's mocking of the issue demonstrates how little respect the GOP has for the American people.

The thing is that, like all nonsense news stories, to simply answer the issue is still the better way to go about it. Unless, of course, Bush was taking cues from backstage. That's really the only way I can see the story having any real merit. And the GOP tacitly acknowledges that merit when they result to suspect, one-off answers like McKinnon's or downright mockery like Mehlman.

We might see a bulge, but take Mark McKinnon's word for it: it's not really there. Television viewers are apparently hallucinogenic. And Mehlman: Voters are immature and not worthy of a respectful answer to what should be a simple issue---apparently, the tailor no longer employed by the Bush administration also does t-shirts.
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• Froomkin, Dan. "What's Karl Rove Up To?" WashingtonPost.com, October 18, 2004. See http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A41903-2004Oct18
• Bumiller, Elizabeth. "Talk of Bubble Leads to Battle Over Bulge". New York Times, October 18, 2004. See http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A41903-2004Oct18

See Also -

• Bryce, Robert. "Stark Rove-ing Mad". Austin Chronicle, September 29, 2000. See http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2000-09-29/pols_naked3.html
• Allen, Mike. "Transcript: White House Insiders". WashingtonPost.com, October 15, 2004. See http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33506-2004Oct14.html
• MSNBC.com. "Transcript: Meet the Press". October 17, 2004. See http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6267835/
 
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Wow! Is this thing with the bulge really getting a lot of coverage?

I took a look at the photo, and it just looks to me like a bunched jacket. Or maybe the shirt underneath has a button or something in the right place.

I wouldn't put any stock in hidden transmitter theories or whatever. As they say, it wouldn't be worth the risk of being found out.
 
More importantly I believe: Even if he did use it... it certainly didn't help much eh? LOL. Yeah.
 
JamesR--

How about a bunched t-shirt? Salon came up with an interesting photo from the Crawford ranch.

I would say no, Bush wasn't wired, and actually agree with Mr. McAuliffe about the gravity of running for president, except for the odd incident in Europe°, the crawford picture, and the odd refusal of the administration to simply put the issue to rest--McKinnon's line still cracks me up; it's probably true because whatever it is isn't in the jacket.

More than the yes or no of Bush being wired, though, I find this whole situation rather odd specifically because the Bush administration would like to pretend that the bulge doesn't exist. They seem to treat the voters with an intensified version of their usual disrespect.
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° odd incident in Europe - Dave Lindorff notes:
I just got a look at the full Fox tape of President Bush's May '04 joint news conference with French President Jacques Chirac. In that tape, as in several other tapes I've seen, Bush can be heard seemingly getting prompting from another voice. About 12 seconds into the piece, the leading voice says, "And I look forward to working to…" Bush comes in with "And I look workin’…And I look forward to workin' to…" The verbal slip-up makes it clear that this is no electronic echo or sound synchronization problem.

At another point, about one minute and sixteen seconds into the tape, the leading voice lets out a loud exhale of breath. Bush does not follow suit. There is no preceding voice when a reporter is heard asking a question. Also, at one minute and 28 seconds into this tape, Bush reaches up and manipulates something in his ear, at which point there is a static noise and the sound of a speaker acting up, until he removes his fingers from his ear.


Lindorff, Oct. 18, 2004

• Lindorff, Dave. See http://www.thiscantbehappening.net/
 
Takes more courage and self respect to be politically incorrect and state you are a non-theist/freethinker/atheist, than it takes to just be a good little properly trained theist. So kudos to you Mr. G.
 
tiassa said:
The Battle of Bush's Bulge
The Continuing Controversy

Tim Russert did ask Bush campaign manager Ken Mehlman directly, on Meet the Press yesterday -- and did not get a serious response. Here's the exchange:

"MR. RUSSERT: Before we go, Mr. Mehlman, clear up this mystery that has been raging on the Internet. This was the first debate, George Bush at the podium, the bulge in the back of the suit. All right. Come clean. What is it?

"MR. MEHLMAN: The president, in fact, was receiving secret signals from aliens in outer space. You heard it here on Meet the Press. . . .

I knew it, that explains everything, cut the wire, free us from the aliens
 
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