Do you really want him to be our president.
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I read the transcript of that before but seeing it is even more hilarious.
Gustav said:
Indeed, we find some agreement. So much so that I am comfortable making the following recommendation:
• Instead of liberating children from the burdens of life, someone contemplating such an act ought to consider freeing the one person they have the right to free from the burden of life.
On the one hand, the "Noble Iraqi Insurgent", with his "brilliant" incidents, will find liberation much easier when they've killed everyone they intend to liberate.
To the other, however, the "Noble Iraqi Insurgent" as you have cast him, ought to be at least capable of realizing that liberation includes empowering people to undertake what they choose--e.g. life--and not simply killing them.
Now, quit being such a silly provocateur.
tiassa
• Instead of liberating children from the burdens of life, someone contemplating such an act ought to consider freeing the one person they have the right to free from the burden of life.
Suicide is or was illegal in quite a few places
Suicide and the Sharia
Q: What's the punishment for suicide?
A: Life imprisonment.
Q: What's the punishment for attempted suicide?
A: Hanging.
This imposition of Western Culture and Attitudes will only further inflame.
On the one hand, the "Noble Iraqi Insurgent", with his "brilliant" incidents, will find liberation much easier when they've killed everyone they intend to liberate.
Be an Iraqi for a minute. What strategies would you adopt? Participate in flawed and possibly rigged elections ala Afghanistan?
Do you not see any value in Beheadings?
Now, quit being such a silly provocateur.
yuck ok
Do the same, pal.
• Instead of liberating children from the burdens of life, someone contemplating such an act ought to consider freeing the one person they have the right to free from the burden of life.
Suicide is or was illegal in quite a few places
Suicide and the Sharia
Q: What's the punishment for suicide?
A: Life imprisonment.
Q: What's the punishment for attempted suicide?
A: Hanging.
This imposition of Western Culture and Attitudes will only further inflame.
On the one hand, the "Noble Iraqi Insurgent", with his "brilliant" incidents, will find liberation much easier when they've killed everyone they intend to liberate.
Be an Iraqi for a minute. What strategies would you adopt? Participate in flawed and possibly rigged elections ala Afghanistan?
Do you not see any value in Beheadings?
Now, quit being such a silly provocateur.
yuck ok
tiassa said:
Do the same, pal.
Gustav said:
And?
And?
Tell us, please, how killing children is the preferable alternative to killing oneself.
Were I compelled to resist with force, I would try something like resisting the occupation, and not murdering children.
There is a tremendous absolute value in terms of public relations.
Yes. You certainly are qualified to make that complaint.
And beyond that, what's with your cynicism? Had I in school the standard you presented, and to which I referred, I would have been a straight-A student. If that confuses you, perhaps you might wish to pay more attention to what you write. Or, at least pay more attention to the situation (e.g. American politics and history) you choose to address.
The difference is that Kerry's "nonsense" (as you have it) equals a research proposal, while Bush's version is homework already overdue.
In the end, what makes Kerry's "nonsense" remotely nonsense is that it's polymer rhetoric: glossy, firm, and merely superficial.
i. Secure international support
ii. Stabilize Iraqi internal capabilities
iii. Do not leave the Iraqis living in bomb craters.
ii. Stabilize Iraqi internal capabilities
iii. Do not leave the Iraqis living in bomb craters.
Such notions are hardly objectionable; the real political trick is in explaining how one intends to do that. For instance, Bush's disrespect to the United Nations: only GOP faithful--more specifically, the hardline neoconservative faction--believe Bush tried every diplomatic option; very few pretend that Bush offered the U.N. a compelling reason to cover Iraq with Baby Blues. At the outset, he didn't want them, and when cornered, Bush would only have the U.N. as a reduced, rubber-stamping mercenary troupe.
Is it not what Bush is trying to do? Well, it's debatable whether or not that's what Bush is really trying to do. Imagine that you've fallen into a ditch, and every time you try to climb out, Bush "helps" you by pushing you back down into the ditch. And then he turns to the world and says, "I don't know what his problem is. I'm trying to help."
The devil, as they say, is in the detail. Pundits have, for a couple days, made the point that France and Germany aren't sending troops no matter what, so what chance does Kerry have? Such myopic conventional wisdom is hardly surprising, but we should not pretend that the world is merely France and Germany, or Russia and China as well. Certes, it's nice to have them along, but the punditry overlooks the U.N. itself, and the idea that the Baby Blues and relief operations, given clearance and a reasonably-secure area to work in, will be a willing and possibly even effective presence.
There's a lot riding on when and how the U.N. decides to get knee deep in the hoopla: the difference between admitting mistakes while appealing for assistance in fixing the problem and saying there's nothing wrong while trying to tell people how to do their business is tremendous.
I would suggest that, in your bloodlust, you're overlooking the details.
Any new national leader has the opportunity to divorce the policies of the past. Were it not so, we might as well blow up Ayad Allawi for Saddam Hussein's crimes; after all, we can only kill Saddam once. The future could certainly lead to Kerry botching Iraq as badly or even worse than Bush, but in the meantime your pretense for calling nonsense makes little to no sense.
I mean, you're welcome to argue that, regardless of the means, Iraq does not need international support, internal stability, and physical reconstruction. I would be interested to see the proposed alternative. And you're welcome to continue arguing that one is more proper killing children than their own self. I would be very interested to see how that works.
But I gave you a free pass after that wild threat you made. And I continue to patronize you because I'm curious about what kind of person really thinks the kind of representation you make is effective or even coherent--I do wonder what value you find in it.
However--
--don't give me that, boy.
Hmmm, well Cowboy . . . we should take bets. Because I suspect that we are headed more along the lines of America becoming a corporate ruled neo-facist theocratic totalitarian feudal land. But of course, none of us *know* what lays ahead, regardless of how much we think we might.
One thing for sure, the average length of an empire in history is 250-300 years, and we are right in there.
One thing for sure, the average length of an empire in history is 250-300 years, and we are right in there.
tiassa
Any new national leader has the opportunity to divorce the policies of the past. Were it not so, we might as well blow up Ayad Allawi for Saddam Hussein's crimes; after all, we can only kill Saddam once.
The lengths some go to justify the installation of CIA Puppets and Stooges as Overloads in iraq is astounding. Your Complicity in the Murder of Innocent Iraqis is noted. While you may be willing to overlook atrocities as long as it favors your imperialistic goals, you will find that others are not so forgiving. Your man is marked. It is a only but a matter of time
Allawi is a terrorist. Justice will be served by an honest investigation into his crimes.
Any new national leader has the opportunity to divorce the policies of the past. Were it not so, we might as well blow up Ayad Allawi for Saddam Hussein's crimes; after all, we can only kill Saddam once.
The lengths some go to justify the installation of CIA Puppets and Stooges as Overloads in iraq is astounding. Your Complicity in the Murder of Innocent Iraqis is noted. While you may be willing to overlook atrocities as long as it favors your imperialistic goals, you will find that others are not so forgiving. Your man is marked. It is a only but a matter of time
Allawi is a terrorist. Justice will be served by an honest investigation into his crimes.
W
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Its already too late, now that we have stirred the hornets nest, we need to finish it. We already taught jihad fighters that they could take down a superpower (Soviet Union) in Afghanistan, now we let them win in Iraq too? No Western country will be safe; bombs, extortion, beheadings, demands, etc...Gustav said:
What Bush started, is nothing short of a war of civilizations; between 2 competeing world-views, one that was on the ropes, being shredded by moderninity, science, materialism, ideas. Bush started a jihad, where there were no terrorists, no WMD, just a neo-con idea. Now it is a breeding ground for jihadiis, islam has a calling for their young (kill the crusaders). Kerry or Bush will have to finish this, they are tied by the radicals from both sides. If Kerry wins & unilaterally leaves Iraq, any subsequent terrorist act will be blamed on him, he'll get shredded by the press, public opinion, he'll be impeached.
I don't see any peaceful out, without appeasing them into a stronger position, just like Hitler & the Rhineland, Sudetenland.
or the US could have an international muslim council assembled, look at all the questions, have them set the rules & we get out of Iraq. This is the less painful way, but may cause other sharia problems later, because if we submit to one ruling, why not others?
what are we going to say, when we hear,
!!!Convert infidels!!!
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Gustav--
Ah, the tyranny of wanting people to be happy.
I'll educate you, since you're new around here: If you go back and look through Sciforums' history, you'll find that I'm one of the strongest voices against the war at this site.
However, my concerns transcend labels. There are millions of people in Iraq that the US has helped keep under the thumb of a dictator. Now, under the false pretense of liberating them, the war has gone terribly awry.
At some point, we're obliged to stop cussing out our leaders and take a moment to think about the welfare of the Iraqi people.
And I'm very sorry you find that offensive, especially since it was a specific lack of that consideration which leads directly to this war.
In the meantime, your truckloads of ignorance and spite don't communicate much.
You do the Iraqi people disservice by advocating the murder of children from within your veil of ignorance.
Furthermore, you might try being courteous enough to answer questions put to you. Otherwise, you leave yourself open to the obvious criticism of being frightened of objectivity.
In the meantime, raising disjointed rhetorical points and pretending it's an argument isn't an effective tactic, so I suggest you take a few minutes with your "noble Iraqi insurgents" and reconsider your strategy.
Tell that to the war dogs. I've been called treasonous for not overlooking atrocities. It's an interesting perspective shift.
In the meantime, if you're talking about the lack of a bloody revolution against the Bush Administration, well, I think there's a pretty solid testament resulting from insurgencies in Nepal, Iraq, and elsewhere, as well as the Iranian Revolution in '79, that such chaos doesn't get things done. By the time the new American revolution would be over, we could probably have elected two new presidents.
See, it's one of the benefits of having the vote. There are better options afoot, then, than murdering children and calling it brilliant.
Fine with me. But, getting back to the point you responded to there, justice would be served by an honest investigation of his alleged crimes, and we certainly shouldn't throw him in prison for acts committed by Saddam Hussein, should we? Or is that justice in Iraq?
A final note:
As you're not actually in Iraq, I do wonder what end you pursue when you treat the Iraqi cause so rudely. What's your personal stake in discrediting the Iraqi people, Gustav? Why play the role of provocateur?
Really, we don't need any more anti-Arab sensationalist bullpuckers around here. That role of pretending you're someone else in order to discredit a body of people is not well-respected around here, and I suggest you get a point, or at least a clue.
School's out, for now. Run home, boy, and think about today's lesson.
Ah, the tyranny of wanting people to be happy.
I'll educate you, since you're new around here: If you go back and look through Sciforums' history, you'll find that I'm one of the strongest voices against the war at this site.
However, my concerns transcend labels. There are millions of people in Iraq that the US has helped keep under the thumb of a dictator. Now, under the false pretense of liberating them, the war has gone terribly awry.
At some point, we're obliged to stop cussing out our leaders and take a moment to think about the welfare of the Iraqi people.
And I'm very sorry you find that offensive, especially since it was a specific lack of that consideration which leads directly to this war.
In the meantime, your truckloads of ignorance and spite don't communicate much.
You do the Iraqi people disservice by advocating the murder of children from within your veil of ignorance.
Furthermore, you might try being courteous enough to answer questions put to you. Otherwise, you leave yourself open to the obvious criticism of being frightened of objectivity.
In the meantime, raising disjointed rhetorical points and pretending it's an argument isn't an effective tactic, so I suggest you take a few minutes with your "noble Iraqi insurgents" and reconsider your strategy.
Tell that to the war dogs. I've been called treasonous for not overlooking atrocities. It's an interesting perspective shift.
In the meantime, if you're talking about the lack of a bloody revolution against the Bush Administration, well, I think there's a pretty solid testament resulting from insurgencies in Nepal, Iraq, and elsewhere, as well as the Iranian Revolution in '79, that such chaos doesn't get things done. By the time the new American revolution would be over, we could probably have elected two new presidents.
See, it's one of the benefits of having the vote. There are better options afoot, then, than murdering children and calling it brilliant.
Fine with me. But, getting back to the point you responded to there, justice would be served by an honest investigation of his alleged crimes, and we certainly shouldn't throw him in prison for acts committed by Saddam Hussein, should we? Or is that justice in Iraq?
A final note:
As you're not actually in Iraq, I do wonder what end you pursue when you treat the Iraqi cause so rudely. What's your personal stake in discrediting the Iraqi people, Gustav? Why play the role of provocateur?
Really, we don't need any more anti-Arab sensationalist bullpuckers around here. That role of pretending you're someone else in order to discredit a body of people is not well-respected around here, and I suggest you get a point, or at least a clue.
School's out, for now. Run home, boy, and think about today's lesson.
dixonmassey,
Do you have a link and reference, I find that really hard to believe, I mean a idiot sure, but mentally ill, with that many aliments, come on;
Do you have a link and reference, I find that really hard to believe, I mean a idiot sure, but mentally ill, with that many aliments, come on;
The topic post is lifted, insofar as I can tell, from Lyndon Larouche's website, a press release from LarouchePac.
tiassa
And?
I understand. Performance Deficiencies in the Short Term Memory, yes?
Here...."freeing the one person they have the right to free from the burden of life"
They have no such right. Do click links provided. It helps.
And?
See above
Tell us, please, how killing children is the preferable alternative to killing oneself.
You digress and meander in manner that closely approaches lunacy. You are the one making these ridiculous comparisons. Therefore, you make the calculations.
I only take issue with your assertion that these fanatics have a right to commit suicide.
Were I compelled to resist with force, I would try something like resisting the occupation, and not murdering children.
You have said nothing. Obsfucation in this transparent a manner is beyond pathetic. Grow some Cojones and get specific. I would like to know if this resistance involves getting off one's knees
There is a tremendous absolute value in terms of public relations.
You seem to be getting somewhere. However, the above sentence appears to imply a positive effect when in actuality, beheadings and whatnot would see a severance of any form of relations. Do Companies and Nations not cut and run when faced with consequences such as these?
Yes. You certainly are qualified to make that complaint.
Super. Will you FEDEX the Diploma? I am, like, oh so eager to flaunt it around.
And beyond that, what's with your cynicism?
Quite simple. Your POV remains, despite your best intentions, wholly orientated towards America's best interests. I however wish nothing but the worst as long as you remain on Iraqi soil. You have fought an aggressive and unjustified war, one of many, with both the Dem and Rep administrations.
There is no Magic Bullet. Kerry's options will not differ from the current.
Wait! There is a Magic Bullet
Withdraw. Withdraw Now. While you still can.
Had I in school the standard you presented, and to which I referred, I would have been a straight-A student.
Quit Yer Whining
What is this? A Fast Food Forum? I will "PATRONIZE" you at MY convenience
And?
I understand. Performance Deficiencies in the Short Term Memory, yes?
Here...."freeing the one person they have the right to free from the burden of life"
They have no such right. Do click links provided. It helps.
And?
See above
Tell us, please, how killing children is the preferable alternative to killing oneself.
You digress and meander in manner that closely approaches lunacy. You are the one making these ridiculous comparisons. Therefore, you make the calculations.
I only take issue with your assertion that these fanatics have a right to commit suicide.
Were I compelled to resist with force, I would try something like resisting the occupation, and not murdering children.
You have said nothing. Obsfucation in this transparent a manner is beyond pathetic. Grow some Cojones and get specific. I would like to know if this resistance involves getting off one's knees
There is a tremendous absolute value in terms of public relations.
You seem to be getting somewhere. However, the above sentence appears to imply a positive effect when in actuality, beheadings and whatnot would see a severance of any form of relations. Do Companies and Nations not cut and run when faced with consequences such as these?
Yes. You certainly are qualified to make that complaint.
Super. Will you FEDEX the Diploma? I am, like, oh so eager to flaunt it around.
And beyond that, what's with your cynicism?
Quite simple. Your POV remains, despite your best intentions, wholly orientated towards America's best interests. I however wish nothing but the worst as long as you remain on Iraqi soil. You have fought an aggressive and unjustified war, one of many, with both the Dem and Rep administrations.
There is no Magic Bullet. Kerry's options will not differ from the current.
Wait! There is a Magic Bullet
Withdraw. Withdraw Now. While you still can.
Had I in school the standard you presented, and to which I referred, I would have been a straight-A student.
Quit Yer Whining
tiassa said:
What is this? A Fast Food Forum? I will "PATRONIZE" you at MY convenience
randolfo
*Meanwhile, an Iraqi child was killed and eight others were injured, four seriously, when a US missile landed in the Abu Ghraib district west of Baghdad while the children were playing
*Twenty people were killed and four houses were demolished on Monday by US air raids over al-Fakhirya village near al-Yusifiya, south of Baghdad
*The US military carries out almost daily air raids on Falluja, insisting they are "precision strikes". Doctors and residents in the town say the dead and wounded are often ordinary civilians, and include women and children.*(aljazeera)
This is what you Advocate. This is what you ALL support by allowing the OCCUPATION to go on.
No Western country will be safe; bombs, extortion, beheadings, demands, etc...
Now it is a breeding ground for jihadiis, islam has a calling for their young (kill the crusaders
You confuse Cause and Effect. There can be no War without an Enemy.
Bush started a jihad
So stop it. Leave. Let them declare victory. Stop arming Israel. You will get the Peace you so desperately desire
If Kerry wins & unilaterally leaves Iraq, any subsequent terrorist act will be blamed on him, he'll get shredded by the press, public opinion, he'll be impeached.
Of course. Dead Ragheads does wonders for one's Ratings. You Americans truly nauseate.
*Meanwhile, an Iraqi child was killed and eight others were injured, four seriously, when a US missile landed in the Abu Ghraib district west of Baghdad while the children were playing
*Twenty people were killed and four houses were demolished on Monday by US air raids over al-Fakhirya village near al-Yusifiya, south of Baghdad
*The US military carries out almost daily air raids on Falluja, insisting they are "precision strikes". Doctors and residents in the town say the dead and wounded are often ordinary civilians, and include women and children.*(aljazeera)
This is what you Advocate. This is what you ALL support by allowing the OCCUPATION to go on.
No Western country will be safe; bombs, extortion, beheadings, demands, etc...
Now it is a breeding ground for jihadiis, islam has a calling for their young (kill the crusaders
You confuse Cause and Effect. There can be no War without an Enemy.
Bush started a jihad
So stop it. Leave. Let them declare victory. Stop arming Israel. You will get the Peace you so desperately desire
If Kerry wins & unilaterally leaves Iraq, any subsequent terrorist act will be blamed on him, he'll get shredded by the press, public opinion, he'll be impeached.
Of course. Dead Ragheads does wonders for one's Ratings. You Americans truly nauseate.
Gustav said:
The religious affliction does affect many, and in various forms. The Sharia is an invention of human beings, and is merely an assertion. Human beings have the right to self-determination, else everyone from the Americans to the Palestinians to the Iraqis needs to shut up.
The imposition of such depraved cultural attitudes as you advocate will only further alienate the depraved.
And?
You're the one praising the murder of children as "brilliant".
You do the Iraqis, the Arabs, and the Muslims disservice when you claim that fighting soldiers is emasculated and pathetic compared to murdering children.
Well, that explains your ignorance about the United States. Literacy, good sir--it helps:
• There is a tremendous absolute value in terms of public relations.
Do click the link provided. It helps.
See the preceding note regarding literacy. And do click the link provided. It helps.
Wow. You're the first person to ever accuse me of being wholly oriented toward America's best interests. Too bad you're an advocate of child-murder, else it would be interesting to whip out that endorsement in the face of jingoist bitching.
Which is why realistic people aren't looking for one.
That will make it easier for the "noble Iraqi insurgent" to get on with killing children, wouldn't it.
Sorry, boy. That's my line. You're the one complaining about nothing.
Calling you fast food actually overstates your value. You're not even a McNugget.
In the meantime, the more appropriate term would be that I continue to give you my patronage. But I don't actually respect you enough to do that.
We broke it. It's our responsibility. And the noble Iraqi insurgent certainly hasn't shown any care for the best interests of the Iraqi people.
Remember, Gustav--know thine enemy. You're so ignorant about the United States you're not doing much but making the case for continued occupation of some sort, which is something that neither of us wants.
Misplaced?
What was brilliant about the killing of the children? Or even noble? Or, at that, not bad?
I ... I just don't see the accident in that.
Your point about the Americans, while certainly valid in some discussion or another, is actually beside the point in the present issue. I would not disagree with you, but I hardly see how it bears on a definition of the noble Iraqi insurgent that includes the deliberate waxing of children and considerations of the brilliance thereof.
That don't fly anywhere.
What was brilliant about the killing of the children? Or even noble? Or, at that, not bad?
I ... I just don't see the accident in that.
Your point about the Americans, while certainly valid in some discussion or another, is actually beside the point in the present issue. I would not disagree with you, but I hardly see how it bears on a definition of the noble Iraqi insurgent that includes the deliberate waxing of children and considerations of the brilliance thereof.
That don't fly anywhere.