Bashing republican\democrats thread

Gravity -

Mr. G said:

I'm not one of your auto-stimulating inflatables.

You'll notice he's now inventing things to say he's not, in order to imagine persecution so that he feels justified in lashing out at people. The problem with that is that it's already established what he is. Check your shoes, though. You may have stepped in it.

He knows what he is. And he's proud of it. Leave him for the flies; nobody takes him seriously around here, and moderation sees fit to consider his waste of drive space harmless, and therefore tolerates it.
 
Ok, good adivice Tiassa. A couple of Martini's last night were helping let me get sucked into the silliness (or become a fly I suppose!). Well, its all good - as we all know, every forum has to have at least one!
 
You'll notice he's now inventing things to say he's not, in order to imagine persecution so that he feels justified in lashing out at people.
This is where the community's retributive, psychological lashes, and the marks they should leave, are supposed to render me an emotional, blithering wreck?
The problem with that is that it's already established what he is. Check your shoes, though. You may have stepped in it.
It smells different depending on it's origin. That suddenly surprises you why?
He knows what he is. And he's proud of it.
Yet, that fact bothers you more. As it should. The Universe is more than just you, or the Local Herd.
Leave him for the flies; nobody takes him seriously around here,...
My kids also do the hands-over-ears, hum loudly thing.

Immaturity is such a personal handicap.

...moderation sees fit to consider his waste of drive space harmless, and therefore tolerates it.
Not a resounding testimonial of the actual definition of true moderation, is it?

Immoderates playing like moderates. Yeah, right.

Y'all aren't anything like me.

You're quite welcome to imagine that I need your "moderation" more than you need mine. The actual truth is, were it not for my passing interest in interjecting into this demographic an alternative to the local flavor of herding instinct, y'all'd be just another group-think case study.

I'm nobody, and neither are any of you.

Sorry if that hurts your inflated self-image.

Not my problem, is it?

Funny how you anti-authoritarians complain about my anti-authoritarianism.

Smells like penis envy.

Hurt me some more; all you need.
 
...moderation sees fit to consider his waste of drive space harmless, and therefore tolerates it.
The louder we hum, the less likely we'll be affected by the outside world.

That's a rule we all should live by -- guests, or otherwise.

We are great; outsiders are excrement.

Utopia, at last!

(Hypothetically speaking, if I must.)
 
/paper_mache_ head_on
/pre-printed_placard_aloft

Herding Instinct rules!

Kill outsiders.

Live the past; be the past.

Today; forever!

/paper_mache_ head_off
/pre-printed_placard_stowed
 
Mr G.:

As for 'genuine belief', I prefer to define my viewpoint as: What is best for me, and mine.

Narrow self-interest is nothing new. A lot of people vote based solely on that. It doesn't make you special.

Um, I'm a registered Independent. Surprise! I'm in the middle.

I think you're deluding yourself. Right now, you're way out to the right. Though that is simply a matter of convenience for you.

Herding Instinct rules!

Your complacency shows that you are quite happy to stick with whichever herd bribes you with the most goodies at the time. You just like to believe you're an individual. In fact, you're the easiest person to buy off.
 
Narrow self-interest is nothing new. A lot of people vote based solely on that. It doesn't make you special.
Um, I've previously stated, "I'm nobody". Like you, I'm self-interested, but I'm not self-obsessed. Sorry.

I think you're deluding yourself. Right now, you're way out to the right. Though that is simply a matter of convenience for you.
You're not me. You're left of me. Everything else is right of you. Even Independents. I'm Independent becuae I am, not because I allow others to define me in their own terms. Sorry.

Your complacency shows that you are quite happy to stick with whichever herd bribes you with the most goodies at the time. You just like to believe you're an individual. In fact, you're the easiest person to buy off.
BS.
 
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Your complacency shows that you are quite happy to stick with whichever herd bribes you with the most goodies at the time. You just like to believe you're an individual. In fact, you're the easiest person to buy off.
How can such an intelligent person author such a silly set of assertions and publicly present them as substantive rhetoric?

Tell me you're not attending substance abuse counselling.
 
Bush Should Have NEVER Been Prez

There were millions of people smarter, more stable, and more QUALIFIED than Bush.

Face it- all this miserable lifelong failure ever had to do was be born BUSH and stay alive. I submit that had YOU been born a BUSH, YOU would be Prez now based on the same non-credentials.

And who the hell thought the SON of a guy that got CHUCKED OUT of office would be a good prez? Based on what, his dad's failure? Why wouldn't America at least want the kid of a 2-term success?

And don't say Bush is smart- MBA. Could YOU have gotten into Harvard/Yale on C grades (at best)?

Come get a laugh at DUMP BUSH :D
 
Bush is rational, but not as intelligent or aware as Kerry.

Yeah. Dump Bush. He's linguistically retarded anyways.
 
Source: New York Times
Link: http://nytimes.com/2004/10/06/opinion/06safi.html
Title: "The Afghan Miracle"
Date: October 6, 2004

As Ann Coulter made an appearance tonight on MSNBC's Scarborough Country, I thought of her immediately upon reading William Safire's most recent column, "The Afghan Miracle". Coulter, a hater of liberals and squeaky wheel in the press-conspiracy circles, might not have noticed that Safire's column, published in the accused liberal-conspirator New York Times, contains a blunt knock against the Kerry campaigns attempt to define its vision for Iraq.

Welcome, then, to the world's interrelated four-month, four-nation election cycle:

Afghans, fighting their unaccustomed way to the polls through feudal fundamentalists and Arab terrorists, will be the most closely watched. But Australians also vote this weekend. Prime Minister John Howard has reaffirmed the traditional Australian-American alliance; he is opposed in the elections by Labor's Mark Latham, the bring-the-boys-home-from-Iraq-by-Christmas candidate.

Then come the U.S. elections, about which you heard plenty last night.

Finally, Iraqi elections are scheduled for January. These will be influenced by the Afghan electoral example, and by the Australian decision signaling the breadth of future coalition support. Most of all, the U.S. election outcome will tell Iraqi voters to expect U.S. help in building a new life in a federal system - or to worry about helicopters hurriedly leaving the roof of the U.S. embassy.


New York Times

Safire makes an excellent observation: upcoming is a four-nation cycle of elections lasting until January upon which the next four or ten or even twenty years of international politics hinges.

But how could anyone complain the Times is part of a liberal media conspiracy when its columnists make such blunt assessments of the options? That this one plays to the Bush crowd hardly establishes the paper as a conservative bastion, but let's not complain that they pull punches in favor of the other candidate, either.

In the meantime, we start the cycle with a curious affair:

When the Afghan president Hamid Karzai visited here a few months ago, he told us of his hopes to persuade some 7 million of the 10 million eligible Afghan voters to register. He underestimated his people's hunger for representative government: despite threats to registration centers, and in the face of assassination attempts on the lives of candidates, over 10 million Afghans have registered, plus 2 million more in Afghan refugee camps in Pakistan and Iran.

That's a political miracle. It also does not add up; some people are apparently registering more than once. ("Vote early and often" is supposed to be a joke. U.S. pollsters have never measured an electorate in which likely voters outnumber registered voters.)

But the indisputable fact of the enthusiasm for voting is what is so heartening. Afghans look with wonderment at their secret ballot, and take real risks for the freedom Americans take for granted.

Who's ahead? Karzai is the front-runner in a field of 18, but will face a runoff if he falls short of 50 percent of the vote. Yunus Qanooni is the dark horse. That's the beauty of an election, even one with vote-buying and other "imperfections": it's rarely a sure thing.


New York Times

Fair enough, but one wonders if it's good enough for us to say the same of our own institutions. And if so, why? For Afghanistan, it's a start, and we'll see what comes.
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• Safire, William. "The Afghan Miracle". New York Times, October 6, 2004. See http://nytimes.com/2004/10/06/opinion/06safi.html
 
Doublethink, anyone?
MIAMI (AP) -- Vice President Dick Cheney asserted on Thursday that a finding by the chief U.S. weapons inspector in Iraq that Saddam Hussein's government produced no weapons of mass destruction after 1991 justifies rather than undermines President Bush's decision to go to war.

WTF?
 
I would think you're more scared of being in the minority party.

Sacred -- not for your personal safety, of course.

Scared of your loss of unearned income.

Having to live within your own means has to be pretty scary.

I'm being happy you're soon to be living less within mine, too.
 
Kerry - Peacemaker

"What I want to do is to change the dynamics on the ground. And you have to do that by beginning to not back off Fallujas and other places and send the wrong message to the terrorists."

20,000 dead Iraqi's are inadequate for True Freedom. More Sacrifices must be made.

"I'm not talking about leaving. I'm talking about winning."

At what cost? With or without body armor?

"should give other countries a stake in Iraq's future by encouraging them to help develop Iraq's oil resources and by letting them bid on contracts instead of locking them out of the reconstruction process."

I promise to share the Loot with others. Join us in the Plunder!

"I have a better plan to be able to fight the war on terror by strengthening our military, strengthening our intelligence"

Tactical Nuclear Bombs? Patriot Act VII?

"I will hunt down and kill the terrorists wherever they are."

GI Joe. Coming soon to a country near YOU.

"ELECT ME! A REAL WARRIOR! I WILL GIVE YOU, THE PEACE LOVING CITIZENS OF THIS GREAT NATION, ENOUGH BLOOD FOR EVERY MAN, WOMAN AND CHILD! (Kerry - Nov 2nd 2004)"
 
Kerry, naked, in a prison shower, looking down at the bar of soap.

Does he scream for help, or just scream?
 
Dionne on the attack

Source: Washington Post
Link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13425-2004Oct6.html
Title: "Switching Stories"
Date: October 7, 2004

When you spend so much time torturing the truth, it's hard to keep your story straight -- or even remember what you just said.

The most remarkable moment in Tuesday's debate between Vice President Cheney and Sen. John Edwards came when Cheney issued a blanket denial of the obvious.

Edwards . . . declared that "there is no connection between Saddam Hussein and the attacks of September 11th. Period. The 9/11 Commission has said that's true. Colin Powell has said it's true. But the vice president keeps suggesting that there is."

What Cheney said next was, literally, incredible: "I have not suggested there's a connection between Iraq and 9/11."

This is the same Cheney who, just minutes before, in the very same debate, had defended the attack on Iraq by declaring flatly that Saddam Hussein "had an established relationship with al Qaeda." Hello? If that is not a "suggestion" of a connection, what is?

Well, this: On Sept. 14, 2003, Cheney said Iraq was at the heart of "the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11."


Washington Post

Writing for the Washington Post, E. J. Dionne, Jr., keeps his journalistic sights trained on the errors of the GOP campaign. Of course, when the Vice President of the United States of America comes before the nation in a televised debate with his election challenger and floats a ******** air-biscuit of such magnitude and purity, it tends to dominate the post-event discussion.

Unfortunately, the choice is never about honesty and lies, and these days focuses on deciding which version of political exaggeration, deception, and outright lies tends to offend or discourage a person the least.

Yet Americans, who have long decried the lies of politicians, have treated this wartime president drawn from the nightmares of Orwell and Goering with kid gloves, happy to equivocate and make excuses. So far this year it has been established that making literary observations (e.g. Goering) about and criticizing the economic record of this president equal hate speech, and are as morally-repugnant as fabricating an outright lie and staking that lie on the credibility of past, present, and future American armed services. That's right, highlighting the good and downplaying the bad--traditional politics allegedly reviled by the people--has been determined to be of the same moral and intellectual bases as fabrication, slander, and libel.

Can it possibly be that the United States has descended to such depths? Could it be we are, as a nation, giving license to our worst nightmares because we don't know any better? Ask a psychologist about such behavior in individuals: empowering what hurts a person is not considered a healthy state of being. What of a community?

The dawning hope is that the American giant is once again awake; perhaps groggy, but aware nonetheless of the difference between hypnopaedia and reality. The Cheney-Edwards debate may have torn away the cobwebs: suddenly the Bush administration has no quarter. As they cycle through the lies, the GOP is finding that only their handpicked audiences cued to cheer scripted considerations assembled by committee are swallowing the putrid concoction of truculent lies.

If the Cheney-Edwards debate made nothing else clear, it is that the central issue in this presidential election is becoming the administration's lack of credibility and its tendency to say whatever is convenient to make whatever case it is trying to make.

Day by day, we learn more and more about how the administration led the nation into war by distorting intelligence and twisting facts. A president who once condemned a mentality that declared "if it feels good, do it" has now embraced a related principle: "If it sounds good, say it."


Washington Post

There is, on the wind, the slightest tinge of the scent of triumph; the last month of the campaign finds the Bush administration finally in the hot seat, finally under the glaring lights, and as they wipe the sweat from their collective brow, it will be hard for a cabal that finds itself nesting in lies to come up with anything new. The GOP is in a footrace against time: How long can we keep the numbers up? Are these last twenty-seven or so days to the election enough time for erosion to take away what Bush, Cheney, and the neoconservative league consider theirs by right?

The administration's story is falling apart. Bush and Cheney mercilessly attack their opponents and promote a climate of fear because they are finding it increasingly difficult to defend the choices they made and the words they have spoken.

Washington Post
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• Dionne, E. J. "Switching Stories". Washington Post, October 7, 2004; page A39. See http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13425-2004Oct6.html
 
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Who knows what Kerry would do as president. He's taken every position from the blood thirsty warrior quoted above to the Howard Dean antiwar protestor. I personally think he'd turn Iraq over to the UN ASAP and avoid any further military engagements. On the other hand, he might overcompensate for his percieved weakness on military matters and become Rambo invading countries willy nilly. His oratory during the extended campaign would support either course. Hopefully, we'll never know.
 
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