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Well let us see, I have a feeling this is the beginning of a debate on European identity and will spread across the EU. Already the French are re-thinking their ban on the burka [which is silly anyway, there is no certain way to make a woman do something than to tell her she cannot do it - don't the French know that???] and there is discussion in Denmark [which has no minarets] and the Netherlands [which has had one referendum in 200 years] to have the same referendum. The Peoples party in Switzerland is galvanused and wants to ban burkas, restrict prayer times and social events for school children to make them more Swiss [whatever that is]

I believe we will see a whole new era of European identity stemming from this.
 
Well good for them. Its about time! It will force new immigrants to assimilate and integrate creating a more unified nation.

could you answer the questions I asked in posts # 397 and #400
 
To get round the ban, all the muslim's have to do is build "Airport Control Towers" instead of minarets.
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Singapore Changi

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Edinburgh
 
S.A.M. said:
I think it will be the route that will be taken. Once "preserving the identity" pwns civil rights, everyone in the Middle East will be "understood" to have done the right thing all along. Bully for the minorities, but they can always emigrate to Antarctica.
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Is that your suggestion for religious minorities in the Middle East also?

Its not difficult either, you already make these arguments in a separate context
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I do??? Where?

Race-based. religion-based colour-based identity is the new black
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Subjective piffle is the new "troof".
 
S.A.M. said:
Well let us see, I have a feeling this is the beginning of a debate on European identity and will spread across the EU. Already the French are re-thinking their ban on the burka [which is silly anyway, there is no certain way to make a woman do something than to tell her she cannot do it
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Unless, say, you were holding a tulwar over her head. That actually seems to work pretty well.
 
S.A.M. said:
Well they did turn down gay marriage by popular demand.

The Wishes of the Majority are sacrosanct.
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Some States do support gay marriage.

Reporting from Washington - The District of Columbia Council took a major step Tuesday toward joining New Hampshire, Connecticut, Iowa, Vermont and Massachusetts in legalizing same-sex marriage. In the first of two votes, the council passed a bill 11 to 2.


http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-na-dc-gay-marriage2-2009dec02,0,7437867.story

So yeah it differs from community to community.
 
SAM said:
I think Switzerland will lose credibility as a neutral arbiter for any issues where Muslims are concerned [like Palestine] and will be seen as a state with rising Islamophobia.
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This pattern, in which the more "ambitious" Muslims find a weak spot in both the understanding of their base and the social mores of the target polity, and gin up a controversy at once trivial to their religion in the target community and inflammatory to its adherents elsewhere (so they can't lose), is interesting.

Apparently, any political decision anywhere that restricts what any Muslims anywhere else find symbolic ruins the "neutrality" of the target polity, and they are relabeled as hostile and classified with the rest of the hostiles.

And any hostile reaction to the classification itself - any hostile response to the accusation of bigotry and hostility from any Muslim spokesman, by any fraction of the polity involved - "cements" the "impression".

Gregory Bateson's term (if you recall, one of those secular humanists who is safely dismissed unread as unhappy with his life and trying to push it on others) for this was "schismogenesis". It's a general category in which "arms race" is found, among other preliminaries to disaster.

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Comments by the people's party that they will drop out of international treaties rather than follow them, will only cement this impression. The damage will be to the Swiss brand and will affect Swiss credibility
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A while ago someone made a comment about people who get into fights in one bar after another. The comment was that maybe they should think a bit, before blaming the bars.

That might also apply to those who watch the guy get into all those fights.
 
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SAM said:
I was just telling Lucy that Europeans should give up on dreams of multiculturalism.
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Sounds like a plan. Leave that to the Saudis and Indonesians and Algerians and Indians, who know how to live in a multicultural nation with lots of Muslims.

The dreams of those who want to cement their hold on the controlling religion of a billion people, schismogenesis at the borders where other ideology threatens being a useful tactic, are not discouraged, though - true ?
 
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