Really?
I thought according to Islam, the Qu'ran existed before time. Doesn't that mean you could have it before Mohammed was even born? And what about those people between Adam and Mohammed, did God hate them?
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Really?
I thought according to Islam, the Qu'ran existed before time. Doesn't that mean you could have it before Mohammed was even born? And what about those people between Adam and Mohammed, did God hate them?
Correction: It is not what baftan says, it is what Islam says:
In the "Five pillars of Islam" (anybody can find in any resource about Islam) starts with this:
And same Islam also believes that all humanity were created due to Allah's love for Mohammed. So all these Adam and Eve, Qur'an; simply anything and everything related to humans were created because of Mohammed. That's what Islam wants its followers to believe in.
In the "Five pillars of Islam" (anybody can find in any resource about Islam) starts with this:
And same Islam also believes that all humanity were created due to Allah's love for Mohammed. So all these Adam and Eve, Qur'an; simply anything and everything related to humans were created because of Mohammed. That's what Islam wants its followers to believe in.
The laws of the Qu'ran are said to have existed since the beginning of time, correct?
If that's the case...couldn't anyone have figured them out before? If that's the case...doesn't that mean everyone had a certain degree of obligation before Mohammed? If so...even Jesus had failings in this sense? If not...then Mohammed was the only person who could ever achieve perfection...then isn't your spirtual capability fundamentally limited upon your inception. In this respect; Mohammed would have no choice other than be perfect, and you no other choice than be less than perfect. (In your logic)
Who exactly was Abraham to you baftan, and what did he do?
If that's the case...couldn't anyone have figured them out before? If that's the case...doesn't that mean everyone had a certain degree of obligation before Mohammed? If so...even Jesus had failings in this sense? If not...then Mohammed was the only person who could ever achieve perfection...then isn't your spirtual capability fundamentally limited upon your inception. In this respect; Mohammed would have no choice other than be perfect, and you no other choice than be less than perfect. (In your logic)
Who exactly was Abraham to you baftan, and what did he do?
He is an imaginary character as Superman. You should go and check your knowledge about Islam and Mohammed before you start to express your expectations about Islam. It is a story which centralise the whole idea around following, believing in Mohammed. All other subjects orbit around Mohammed, and if you are seriously asking my personal opinion, even the idea of Allah himself orbits around Mohammed.
There's no need for assuming mockery baftan, I'm asking you relevant questions about the tenants of your faith in a respectful manner.
So which of the following people actually existed (if any) according to Islam?
Adam
Seth
Noah
Shem
Abraham
Isaac
Ishmael
Jacob
Joseph
Moses
Joshua
Ilijah
Elisha
Joel
Obadiah
Jonah
Amos
Hosea
Micah
Isaiah
Nahum
Zephaniah
Jeremiah
Habakkuk
Daniel
Ezekiel
Haggai
Zechariah
Malachi
Jesus
Mohammed
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You don't deserve anything but mockery, since I have no faith in these type of mumbo jumbo. I told you before that this is what Islam says, not me. If you do not understand this simple sentence, just go on, more mockery is coming for you...
You're an ingrate.
The problem is, you can't always assume what's a logical conclusion is the actual conclusion.
Okay, these questions are open to anyone who knows Islam.
Ungrateful of whom, you? You turned a simple statement (Islam and Mohammed are inseparable -unthinkable separately-) into a pissing contest. You didn't bring any source or understanding of Islam which says they are separable.
Unfortunately, this doesn't include you.
Moreover, this topic doesn't give you any wanking opportunity. Don't push it.
What does that mean? Elaborate, give example. The subject is a religion, not an ideology. We are not talking about something like Communism and Marx, or market economy and Adam Smith. We are talking about a religion of which entire doctrine is a dreamwave of Mohammed. Stop generalising, be specific with examples.
Yes it does. According to Islam, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, all rightly guided prophets who brought revelations were Muslims. This is before Mohammed. Moreover, in Islam it is believed that everyone is born a Muslim, with a fitra that makes one a believer from birth. Which is why any conversion to Islam is called a return to Islam. It is the natural state of man.
The Qur'an, which was revealed to Mohammed, is a reminder, and Mohammed, merely the guy who is passing on the reminder without the power to enforce it. The shahadah is merely creed, i.e. practice and may not even have existed in the time of Muhammed. It may have been instituted by his followers after his death, to identify the teachings as those of Mohammed. It is not present in the Qur'an.
Allah's Apostle said, "No child is born except on Al-fitra (Islam) and then his parents make him Jewish, Christian or Magian (Zoroastrian), as an animal produces a perfect young animal: do you see any part of its body amputated?"
- Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 23, Number 441
This is not only an excellent example for your question, its also an excellent argument against circumcision.
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For the record, I dislike CheskiChips for several reasons and if asked to summarise his character would describe him as a conniving little prat. However, in this thread his questions have been asked respectfully, his points have been made unemotionally and logically, and those questions have been interesting and relevant ones. If you will not answer him on these points will you answer me?
So god is gay for Mohammad? Well that sure explains a lot.
Rephrase the question first, I will answer.
