Babies display innate morality

Magical Realist

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This is a striking discovery. Is our sense of right and wrong hardwired into our brains by evolution? See for yourself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRvVFW85IcU


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Is our sense of right and wrong hardwired into our brains by evolution?
Of course. Homo sapiens is a pack-social species, like wolves, elephants, dolphins and quite a few other mammals. As an obligate carnivore with no claws or fangs, our only hope for survival is to hunt in groups. So we were born with the instinct to depend on and care for the people we've known since birth.

If we had to expend a significant fraction of our time, energy and attention on protecting ourselves from each other, our surplus resources would be dissipated and there would not be enough to even to keep the pack healthy, much less build civilization.

Sorry, I don't know the proper scientific terms for "pack-social" and the considerably different "herd-social" instinct (cattle are the most common example of that--they don't knock each other down but cooperation isn't a big priority for grazers except to form a circle around the calves when lions approach). I've never heard a biologist talk about them.
 
Sorry, I don't know the proper scientific terms for "pack-social" and the considerably different "herd-social" instinct (cattle are the most common example of that--they don't knock each other down but cooperation isn't a big priority for grazers except to form a circle around the calves when lions approach). I've never heard a biologist talk about them.
I don't know if this counts, but perhaps Pack hunter will set us on the trail?

A pack hunter or social predator is a predator belonging to the animal kingdom, which has evolved to hunt its prey by working together with other members of its species. Normally animals hunting in this way are closely related, and with the singular exception of humans and chimpanzees where only males normally hunt, all individuals in a family group will contribute to hunting. The most commonly known pack hunter is the Gray Wolf, the ancestor of all breeds of domesticated dogs. Humans and their closest-living relatives chimpanzees are themselves pack hunters even without aid of other species. Other pack hunting mammals include dolphins, orcas, lions, dwarf and banded mongooses and hyenas. A number of avian social predators exist, including the Harris Hawk, butcherbirds, three of four kookaburra species and many helmetshrikes. There are a few cold-blooded pack hunters including simple arthropods such as army ants, the Yellow Saddle Goatfish[1] and occasionally crocodiles. There is a possibility that some non-avian theropod dinosaurs displayed pack behavior as well.

A social animal that always hunts singly such as the domestic cat is not a pack hunter.

Pack hunting is typically associated with cooperative breeding and its concentration in the Afrotropical Region is a reflection of this. Most pack hunters are found in the southern African savannas, with a notable absence in tropical rainforests and with the exception of the wolf and coyote, higher latitudes. It is thought that either on the ancient and poor soils of the southern African savanna it is not possible for individual predators to find adequate food, or that the environment’s inherent unpredictability due to ENSO or IOD events means that in very bad conditions it will not be possible to raise the young necessary to prevent declining populations from adult mortality. It is also argued that Africa’s very large area of continuous flat and open country, which was even more extensive while rainforest contracted during glacial periods of the Quaternary, may have helped encourage pack hunting to become much more common than on any other continent.
A shared pack hunting history is thought to be the main conduit through which humans have been able to form a mutual relationship with dogs (that is, domestication), as both species are highly social and inter-dependent. Humans easily take over the dominance hierarchy of dogs as subordinates instinctively follow the “alpha” individual and dogs are accustomed to living very close together.​
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So, the development of a conscience is part of the evolutionary process. (I would think coupled with one's social interactions and development, as well.) I haven't heard this aspect of evolution discussed too often.

So interesting!
 
I don't know if this counts, but perhaps Pack hunter will set us on the trail?
Elephants, horses, gorillas and chimpanzees are also pack-social (not herd-social) and they are grazers.

Major differences:
  • A herd has one leader, usually a female. A pack usually has a hierarchy.
  • A herd leader usually has only one responsibility: to lead the herd to the next grazing area. A pack leader enforces discipline and usually has first rights (in some species exclusive rights) to the females in heat.
  • Members of a herd are free to leave. This is almost unheard-of in a pack.
  • Herd-mates don't establish close relationships; their responsibility to each other is typically only to avoid inadvertently harming each other and to protect all the young. They'll step right over a wounded comrade, hoping the lions will be too busy eating him to chase somebody else. Pack-mates form strong loyalties, defending each other from larger predators and even protecting a wounded comrade. A team of biologists were studying the African wild dog. They shot one with a tranquilizer and brought him into their hut. One of his pack-mates walked right in, grabbed him by the tail, and began dragging him back out to safety, knowing full well that these "predators" were immensely powerful. They were so touched that they let him get away with it.
The most commonly known pack hunter is the Gray Wolf, the ancestor of all breeds of domesticated dogs.
All modern dogs are descended from a small pack of gray wolves that lived in Mesopotamia at the time of the Agricultural Revolution, 12KYA. Since wolves are capable of surviving by scavenging and simply prefer hunting, it's likely that a few lazy, curious wolves were attracted to the middens (garbage piles) that sprang up around the herding-and-farming villages. The humans regarded their cleanup as a service, and soon discovered that having predators with excellent night vision around made their nights safer, so long as there was an understanding about not eating the baby humans. Soon the babies of both species began entertaining each other, making life easier for all the adults.

Although the Agricultural Revolution occurred independently in quite a few different regions, some in the Western Hemisphere, the self-domestication of the dog only occurred once. Travelers brought their dogs with them and traded them for goods and services, establishing satellite populations before the local wolves made the transition.

There is plenty of evidence of self-domestication of dogs happening in earlier eras, but for reasons we'll never know, none of those populations survived to add their DNA to the worldwide pack. I suspect that without the food surplus created by farming and animal husbandry (the twin technologies that comprise agriculture), life with humans wasn't as easy and enjoyable as it would be among farmers and herdsmen who slept in the same place every night.

Humans and their closest-living relatives chimpanzees are themselves pack hunters even without aid of other species.
And chimpanzees aren't even predators, although they'll eat meat if it's available. This puts the chimp in the class with horses and elephants: pack-social grazers. Gorillas live much the same way, although their packs are much smaller, almost always one alpha male with his female descendants and pre-pubescent male offspring who have to go form their own packs when they're ready to breed. Gorillas inbreed so heavily that the skulls of two individuals from packs 500 miles apart look like they're from different species.

Most pack hunters are found in the southern African savannas, with a notable absence in tropical rainforests and with the exception of the wolf and coyote, higher latitudes.
The wolf is the most successful land-based predatory mammal on the planet. With no help from humans it spread to all the continents except Australia and Antarctica. (The dingo is a partially evolved wolf-dog brought to Australia by Asian explorers during the late Neolithic Era. A snapshot of what dogs were like before the Bronze Age transformed civilization with metal farming tools, domesticated horses and the wheel.)

A shared pack hunting history is thought to be the main conduit through which humans have been able to form a mutual relationship with dogs (that is, domestication), as both species are highly social and inter-dependent.
This hypothesis will surely be tested and modified now that we've discovered that wolves only became domesticated after humans settled into permanent agricultural villages and no longer depended on hunting for survival. As I noted above, it's easy to assume that the first dogs were simply lazy and didn't want to spend their days chasing game when all they had to do was develop a taste for a diet with a much higher vegetable content.

This reduction in protein, as they switched from a hunter's to a scavenger's diet, required them to evolve smaller brains, the support of which necessitates an enormous amount of dietary protein.

Humans easily take over the dominance hierarchy of dogs as subordinates instinctively follow the “alpha” individual and dogs are accustomed to living very close together.
Aside from the brains and some barely noticeable change in the shape of their teeth, the major changes in the evolution of wolves (Canis lupus lupus) into dogs (Canis lupus familiaris) were in their psychological makeup. Dogs are much more gregarious than wolves, whose packs seldom contain more than ten individuals. They have a much weaker alpha instinct and will happily allow a member or another species to be pack leader, so long as he drags home a dead cow twice a month. In general they socialize more happily with other species, including cats, monkeys, rodents, birds and livestock. They also exhibit neoteny, the retention of immature traits into adulthood, including barking, tail-wagging, rough-housing and playing fetch. Adult wolves lose these behaviors, but dogs continue doing them until the day they die, which endears them to us and encourages us to let them join our packs.
 
I don't know if this counts, but perhaps Pack hunter will set us on the trail?

A pack hunter or social predator is a predator belonging to the animal kingdom, which has evolved to hunt its prey by working together with other members of its species. Normally animals hunting in this way are closely related, and with the singular exception of humans and chimpanzees where only males normally hunt, all individuals in a family group will contribute to hunting.
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pretty sure that's wrong, male lions don't hunt, only the lionesses do
 
pretty sure that's wrong, male lions don't hunt, only the lionesses do
There is a surplus of male lions since each pride can only support a small number of non-hunters. So there are many unaffiliated males who have to hunt singly or in pairs, for survival. It's a tough life because the females won't allow them to encroach on their pride's territory. These are the lions who, in desperation, may end up hunting near human communities, and being killed for taking livestock or stalking humans.
 
True but that's not pack hunting is it, in fact your post shows exactly my point that male lions in a pack don't hunt, they just defend there breeding rights and get feed by the lionesses

In fact your comment would be like someone arguing against the premis that women do the majority of housework in a marriage by saying that batcholors do all there own housework
 
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