Autodidactic: A Means for Self-Actualizing

coberst

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Autodidactic: A Means for Self-Actualizing

I am a retired engineer with a good bit of formal education and twenty five years of self-learning. I began the self-learning experience while in my mid-forties. I had no goal in mind; I was just following my intellectual curiosity in whatever direction it led me. This hobby, self-learning, has become very important to me. I have bounced around from one hobby to another but have always been enticed back by the excitement I have discovered in this learning process. Carl Sagan is quoted as having written; “Understanding is a kind of ecstasy.”

I label myself as a September Scholar because I began the process at mid-life and because my quest is disinterested knowledge.

Disinterested knowledge is an intrinsic value. Disinterested knowledge is not a means but an end. It is knowledge I seek because I desire to know it. I mean the term ‘disinterested knowledge’ as similar to ‘pure research’, as compared to ‘applied research’. Pure research seeks to know truth unconnected to any specific application.

I think of the self-learner of disinterested knowledge as driven by curiosity and imagination to understand. The September Scholar seeks to ‘see’ and then to ‘grasp’ through intellection directed at understanding the self as well as the world. The knowledge and understanding that is sought by the September Scholar are determined only by personal motivations. It is noteworthy that disinterested knowledge is knowledge I am driven to acquire because it is of dominating interest to me. Because I have such an interest in this disinterested knowledge my adrenaline level rises in anticipation of my voyage of discovery.

We often use the metaphors of ‘seeing’ for knowing and ‘grasping’ for understanding. I think these metaphors significantly illuminate the difference between these two forms of intellection. We see much but grasp little. It takes great force to impel us to go beyond seeing to the point of grasping. The force driving us is the strong personal involvement we have to the question that guides our quest. I think it is this inclusion of self-fulfillment, as associated with the question, that makes self-learning so important.

The self-learner of disinterested knowledge is engaged in a single-minded search for understanding. The goal, grasping the ‘truth’, is generally of insignificant consequence in comparison to the single-minded search. Others must judge the value of the ‘truth’ discovered by the autodidactic. I suggest that truth, should it be of any universal value, will evolve in a biological fashion when a significant number of pursuers of disinterested knowledge engage in dialogue.

In the United States our culture compels us to have a purpose. Our culture defines that purpose to be ‘maximize production and consumption’. As a result all good children feel compelled to become a successful producer and consumer. All good children both consciously and unconsciously organize their life for this journey.

At mid-life many citizens begin to analyze their life and often discover a need to reconstitute their purpose. Some of the advantageous of this self-learning experience is that it is virtually free, undeterred by age, not a zero sum game, surprising, exciting and makes each discovery a new eureka moment. The self-learning experience I am suggesting is similar to any other hobby one might undertake; interest will ebb and flow. In my case this was a hobby that I continually came back to after other hobbies lost appeal.

I suggest for your consideration that if we “Get a life—Get an intellectual life” we very well might gain substantially in self-worth and, perhaps, community-worth.

As a popular saying goes ‘there is a season for all things’. We might consider that spring and summer are times for gathering knowledge, maximizing production and consumption, and increasing net-worth; while fall and winter are seasons for gathering understanding, creating wisdom and increasing self-worth.

I have been trying to encourage adults, who in general consider education as a matter only for young people, to give this idea of self-learning a try. It seems to be human nature to do a turtle (close the mind) when encountering a new and unorthodox idea. Generally we seem to need for an idea to face us many times before we can consider it seriously. A common method for brushing aside this idea is to think ‘I’ve been there and done that’, i.e. ‘I have read and been a self-learner all my life’.

It is unlikely that you will encounter this unorthodox suggestion ever again. You must act on this occasion or never act. The first thing is to make a change in attitude about just what is the nature of education. Then one must face the world with a critical outlook. A number of attitude changes are required as a first step. All parents, I guess, recognize the problems inherent in attitude adjustment. We just have to focus that knowledge upon our self as the object needing an attitude adjustment rather than our child.

Another often heard response is that “you are preaching to the choir”. If you conclude that this is an old familiar tune then I have failed to make clear my suggestion. I recall a story circulating many years ago when the Catholic Church was undergoing substantial changes. Catholics where no longer using Latin in the mass, they were no longer required to abstain from meat on Friday and many other changes. The story goes that one lady was complaining about all these changes and she said, “with all these changes the only thing one will need to do to be a good Catholic is love thy neighbor”.

I am not suggesting a stroll in the park on a Sunday afternoon. I am suggesting a ‘Lewis and Clark Expedition’. I am suggesting the intellectual equivalent of crossing the Mississippi and heading West across unexplored intellectual territory with the intellectual equivalent of the Pacific Ocean as a destination.

Would you consider having an intellectual life as a hobby to be beneficial to you?

Do you think that a society with many citizens who have a hobby of an intellectual life would benefit that society?

Do you know anyone who has an intellectual life as a hobby?
 
Would you consider having an intellectual life as a hobby to be beneficial to you?
yes, though I have to quibble around the word 'hobby' which tends to mean 'for pleasure' in addition to meaning 'not as part of your profession'. That said, of course.

Do you think that a society with many citizens who have a hobby of an intellectual life would benefit that society?
My society has many citizens who do this? Some of them are doing great damage. Some of them are reducing the damage done by these intellectuals and also doing some good. I would love to say that it automatically leads to benefits, but I am not sure it does. But it is good when good people do it.

Do you know anyone who has an intellectual life as a hobby?
Pretty much everyone I know more than very casually - and most of those, also - do this. I tend to meet and get close to people with diverse interests who support these interests by reading in a variety of fields.
 
yes, though I have to quibble around the word 'hobby' which tends to mean 'for pleasure' in addition to meaning 'not as part of your profession'. That said, of course.


My society has many citizens who do this? Some of them are doing great damage. Some of them are reducing the damage done by these intellectuals and also doing some good. I would love to say that it automatically leads to benefits, but I am not sure it does. But it is good when good people do it.


Pretty much everyone I know more than very casually - and most of those, also - do this. I tend to meet and get close to people with diverse interests who support these interests by reading in a variety of fields.

I think that you misunderstand my post. I am speaking of something done for pleasure and not for professional reasons.
 
Would you consider having an intellectual life as a hobby to be beneficial to you?

No. Not if it would be a hobby.

The mind is a person's greatest asset. To treat its training merely as a hobby is a mockery to its potentials and to the seriousness of life.


Do you think that a society with many citizens who have a hobby of an intellectual life would benefit that society?

Perhaps, if they would sit around contemplating and quibbling, and would cause little pollution to the environment.


Do you know anyone who has an intellectual life as a hobby?

Yeah. Suckers all of them.
 
Would you consider having an intellectual life as a hobby to be beneficial to you?
There would be more benefit if I were learning something that I could systematically apply to create greater good for myself and the society.
Do you think that a society with many citizens who have a hobby of an intellectual life would benefit that society?
Not if they are sitting on that knowledge and aren't applying it for the benefit of that society.
Do you know anyone who has an intellectual life as a hobby?
I think I do.

I do believe that we should "learn as if we were to live forever", and it is beneficial to our brain to keep learning and keep it in shape, but I also think that learning should be systematical with particular goals in mind, not just learning for the sake of learning.
 
I think that you misunderstand my post. I am speaking of something done for pleasure and not for professional reasons.
I really think you should reread my first sentence again. It seems pretty clear. I was saying that hobby, which means generally 'for pleasure' does not really fit. Certainly I get pleasure out of my pursuits, but I am seeking something. It is not like collecting old coke bottles - not that there is anything wrong with that. I read and think and contemplate as part of self-healing, curiosity, seeking to understand, etc. It is not my profession, but it is not merely a hobby.

Perhaps the hobby nature of your intellectual pursuits is why your responses often seem so lacking. I will try to take your participation here more as a hobby than something deeper. Then when you respond as you did above, it will not seem so insulting, but merely a part of the package.

Autodidactic is an adjective. It cannot, therefore, be a 'means'. That would have to be a noun.

As one autodidact to another: digestion is aided by careful mastication.
 
My experience leads me to conclude that there is a world of difference in picking up a fragment of knowledge here and there versus seeking knowledge for an answer to a question of significance. There is a world of difference between taking a stroll in the woods on occasion versus climbing a mountain because you wish to understand what climbing a mountain is about or perhaps you want to understand what it means to accomplish a feat of significance only because you want it and not because there is ‘money in it’.

I think that every adult needs to experience the act of intellectual understanding; an act that Carl Sagan describes as “Understanding is a kind of ecstasy.”

This quotation of Carl Rogers might illuminate my meaning:

I want to talk about learning. But not the lifeless, sterile, futile, quickly forgotten stuff that is crammed in to the mind of the poor helpless individual tied into his seat by ironclad bonds of conformity! I am talking about LEARNING - the insatiable curiosity that drives the adolescent boy to absorb everything he can see or hear or read about gasoline engines in order to improve the efficiency and speed of his 'cruiser'. I am talking about the student who says, "I am discovering, drawing in from the outside, and making that which is drawn in a real part of me." I am talking about any learning in which the experience of the learner progresses along this line: "No, no, that's not what I want"; "Wait! This is closer to what I am interested in, what I need"; "Ah, here it is! Now I'm grasping and comprehending what I need and what I want to know!"


When we undertake such a journey of discovery we need reliable sources of information. We need information that we can build a strong foundation for understanding. Where do we find such reliable information? We find it in the library or through Google on the Internet or combinations thereof.

I have a ‘Friends of the Library’ card from a college near me. This card allows me, for a yearly fee of $25, to borrow any book in that gigantic library. Experts in every domain of knowledge have written books just especially for laypersons like you and I.

Lincoln was an autodidact. Perhaps self-actualizing self-learning is for you. When your school daze is complete it is a good time to begin the learning process.
 
My experience leads me to conclude that there is a world of difference in picking up a fragment of knowledge here and there versus seeking knowledge for an answer to a question of significance.
Precisely what I meant when I quibbled about the use of the word 'hobby'.

There is a world of difference between taking a stroll in the woods on occasion versus climbing a mountain because you wish to understand what climbing a mountain is about or perhaps you want to understand what it means to accomplish a feat of significance only because you want it and not because there is ‘money in it’.
And here again you support my quibble with hobby. I think it is a misleading word.
 
Precisely what I meant when I quibbled about the use of the word 'hobby'.


And here again you support my quibble with hobby. I think it is a misleading word.


If we wonder off the beaten path we can discover what we have not ‘seen’ before. If we only study that which enhances our present state then we will never know what we don’t know.

Hobbies are ways in which many individuals express their individuality. Those matters that excite an individual interest and curiosity are those very things that allow the individual him or her to self-understanding and also for others to understand them. Interests define individuality and help to provide meaning to life. We all look for some ideology, philosophy or religion to provide meaning to life.

When examining psychosis the psychiatrist advises either the establishment of an interpersonal evolvement or for finding interests and perhaps new patterns of thought.

None of us have discovered our full potentialities or have fully explored in depth those we have discovered. Self-development and self-expression are relatively new ideas in human history. The arts are one means for this self-expression. The artist may find drawing or constructing sculptures as a means for self-discovery. The self-learner may find essay writing of equal importance. Consciousness of individuality was first become a possibility in the middle Ages. The Renaissance and further the Reformation enhanced the development of individual identification.

As technology developed there grew a further enhancement of the perception of the individual. It was in the Oxford English Dictionary in 1674 that the word “self” took on the present modern meaning of “a permanent subject of successive and varying states of consciousness”. “Self” as an instance of compounds with other words appeared over this period of time. Self-knowledge (1613), self-examination (1647). Self-interest (1649).

The word “individual” moved from the indivisible and collective to the divisible and distinctive. In this we see the development of an understanding of self-consciousness thus illustrating the dramatic change taking place in our developing understanding of the self as a distinct subject not just a cipher in a community. This was part of the Renaissance.

I recommend that each of us develop the hobby of an intellectual life. We could add to our regular routine the development of an invigorating intellectual life wherein we sought disinterested knowledge; knowledge that is not for the purpose of some immediate need but something that stirs our curiosity, which we seek to understand for the simple reason that we feel a need to understand a particular domain of knowledge.
 
If I don't have an 'itzasif' moment following some thought or another (every day) I am very disappointed.
Whether my 'findings' from the 'itzasif' develop into the Truth, my belief, or Falsity I may never know, but it is surprising how many times I am able to conceive what turn out to be the correct conclusions in the passing of time.

I find it to be a most rewarding pastime, and know that others will 'know' that I am mad.
 
If we wonder off the beaten path we can discover what we have not ‘seen’ before. If we only study that which enhances our present state then we will never know what we don’t know.

So taking up a hobby is wandering off the beaten path?
And passionately investigating things must lead to things one has seen before or 'simply enhances our present state'?

Some strawman you must be thinking of here.

Most hobbyists are very concerned about enhancing that present state. In fact the collection, for example, is seen as completely external to the self. It is about adding items and the pleasure with each acquisition. In fact most hobbies, as we generally use the term, are not concerned about how what is done affects the future, others, our way of seeing the world, our development. It is a hobby. A pleasurable time consumer.

Are you a collecter of ideas but not someone who tries to integrate them?

Perhaps this is why your posts have always seemed like collections of the ideas of others rather than ideas you have integrated yourself. Are you showing us your collection?

Seriously, I am not trying to be mean. I often find that you seem incapable of nuanced explanations and answers about what you are posting. It is as ift the ideas should simply stand their on their own, and even your own understanding of them is not very important.

Stamps or ideas. A collection.

1. an activity or interest pursued for pleasure or relaxation and not as a main occupation: Her hobbies include stamp-collecting and woodcarving.

I certainly get your point about it not being the main occupation. Grand. But note the rest of the definition. For pleasure or relaxation. That is 'enhancing the present state'.

And I see nothing wrong with this. I have a couple of hobbies myself. But you may find that people who have deeper concerns about ideas and who try to integrate and make ideas their own may find something shallow and odd about your idea collecting and display.

I do not think that this is a means for self actualization.
 
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