Even a Christian mind? 
You are generalising surely? You don't actually display that level of predjudice against everyone you meet for the first time who happens to be Christian do you?
yeah, it was a dickish statment. i suppose i meant the christian mind of that specific person. i have met some christians that i think are insane, others that i think are christian out of convenience, never one thats been convincing, but in general i judge a person based on how they act, not what they think.
This saying is appropriate really under a defined set of circumstances i.e. when a meddler disguises their meddling under the guise of 'helping someone out' . If someone intends that something intrinsically 'good' happens for someone and out of 'love' seeks to make that 'good' thing reality for the person they love ... well even the stupidist person on the planet wouldn't equate 'love' with 'punishment' would they. It isn't logical.
its relative. i take it to mean that often times people let what they believe are their good intentions get so out of hand that they do more damage to the people they are trying to help than good. or alternatively that what some people genuinely believe are good intentions wind up having harmful effects that they choose to ignore because their beliefs preclude them from seeing the reality of the situation. that little proverb is open to interpretation, and i dont think you are qualified to tell me under what circumstances it is to be given any particular meaning.
Yeah I agree. But in the context of this topic? Nah.
yes actually in my view. youre entitled to your opinion though.
As a Christian I am always telling atheists that I do not have a logical explaination for 'love'. Love isn't always terribly logical itself but it can be. Eye for an eye is logical. 'Turn the other cheek' must therefore by definition be illogical. We know justice is a good thing, so why would anyone turn the other cheek? How could that be good as well? Illogical huh. The messages of Christianity spit in the eye of logic and confound the wise because God cannot be defined by logic. Hell even your own existence cannot be defined by logic. I dont think logic will ever become my crutch.
thats actually not true. eye for an eye is logical yes, but so is turn the other cheek. its just more abstractly logical. the logic behind the turn the other cheek philosophy is that if you allow someone to do something bad to you without retaliating, you therefore prove to them that violence not only isnt a solution in every instance, or that it does not always have the desired effect, and by extension is not always useful as the tool of punishment or forceful derision that it is meant to be.
theres nothing illogical at all about finding a course of action that is more clever than retaliation and will have a lasting psychological impact on the person whose behavior you are attempting to alter. turn the other cheek is therefore logical in the way that it is a course of action that attempts to acheive a particular result, the result being defined as some measure of justice in the mind of the person employing the technique.
the concept of god does not defy logic either. the concept of god is the logical invention of men and women who wish to explain what cannot be explained. it is a logical response to the questions presented by the unknown.
the existence of god is not illogical, only unproveable.
and logic isnt a crutch, it cant be. a crutch is something that supports that which cannot be supported on its own. logic requires analysis of fact or equally logical definition of the elements involved in the course of finding a solution to a particular problem. when illogical elements enter into the equation, logic cannot be used to support them, therefore it cant be a crutch to support some line of thought that is illogical or otherwise "broken". illogical and unproveable belief that supports illogical or unproveable conclusions is a crutch. so youre right. logic will never be your crutch because it cant be.
