Astrology, a Effect or Calculation

Kumar

I had an idea in my teens (I don't claim to have originated it - it might be Jungian) that our minds were like the peaks of mountains; separate but joined below thw clouds and mist.

Have you come across J W Dunne? Very old books now (1930s), but interesting in trying to explain deja vu etc.. Some were "An Experiment with Time", "The Serial Universe", and "The New Immortality".
 
I am from India, I didn't read as never seen here. But we also have our lot of ancient litreture. I will try to get these books.

Reg; interlink, can you judge if we can be linked to each other through some chemical element or molecule present everywhere on earth?
 
Amazing. It has been re-published in 2001 from 1927!

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos...31966/sr=2-3/ref=sr_2_3_3/026-0775487-5949244

His work is mostly about explaining how we "dream the future" and some about telepathy.

Here is a brief extract to show the flavour:

Let us, for simplicity, distinguish between the four-dimensional observer and his self by the use of the numerals 2 and 1. Suppose then that Jones 1 conveys knowledge telepathically to Smith 1. The sequence is as follows. Jones 1 at the travelling field affects Jones 2. Jones 2 affects Smith 2 - anywhere in Smith 2's lengt, even behind Smith 1. But Smith 2 cannot alter his brain world-line except via Smith 1 at the travelling field. The forbidden miracle, therefore, does not occur: Smith 1 does not find his 'time 1' 'past' incomprehensibly altered. The only thing that happens is that he becomes possessed of knowledge without knowing how it reached him, knowledge which he, thereafter, can convey to the brain."
 
Thanks good example. But what can be the possible media. The media should be universly existing substance.
 
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It concludes:

"Then, and not until then, does the entire procedure affect the substratum over which Jones 1 and Smith 1 are travelling.

The Serialist's prohibition of signals interfering with that part of any observer's world-line which lies behind the travelling field is Serialism's interpretation of the Relativistic prohibition of signals conveyed faster than light via the travelling field, or, as we should put it, the introduction of any world line in the Minkowski substratum sloping, in a square mesh system, at more than 45 degrees to the 'time' axis."
 
"The media should be universly existing substance"

But the 'ether' was thrown out in (iirc) 1887 by the Michelson-Morley Experiment.

I guess he is postulating a shared concsiousness but he is doing it by putting observers in a series whereby the 'real' person is an abstraction of a 4-dimensional being which can interact with another 4-dimensional being but in such a way that 'information' is not travelling faster than light. I don't think he explains much of how it works. Thus, a piece of information from someone else's future can interact with your past but you don't know how it got there.

It is very old stuff, but thought provoking.

Ed. Did you read the review?

"While his work was done without experimental controls, it established a prima facie case for lab work on precognition that got done half a century later."
 
Yes! it explores the relationship between dreams, time, and reality. It shows how a scientific experiment probes the nature of time and the barrier dividing past and future, and offers a scientific argument for human immortality.

I will try to get from here.

If we consider earth crust & atmosphere for this purpose, we may find that following elements can be said as existing everywhere on earth:-

Oxygen, Nitrogen, Fe, silicon & may be Hydrogen & magnessium.

Can you imagine which element can be more related to this internal relationship.
 
Are you trying to link occurrence of elements/compounds with consciousness? I would look more to higher dimensions.

However, to answer your question, there are different compositions for different parts of the planet. Also, planets and other bodies have different compositions. Some examples (major components only):

Dry air at sea level
N2 78.08%
O2 20.95%

Earth's crust
O 456000 ppm
Si 273000
Al 83600
Fe 62200
Ca 46600
Mg 27640
Na 22700

Upper mantle
SiO2 45.16%
MgO 37.49%
FeO 8.04%
Al2O3 3.54%
CaO 3.08%
Other <1%.

Major parts of Earth (kg)
atmosphere 5.3 x 10^18
hydrpsphere 1.4 x 10^21
biomass 1.0 x 10^15
oceanic crust 7.0 x 10^21
contin't crust 1.6 x 10^22
mantle 4.1 x 10^24
core 1.9 x 10^24
 
Dry air at sea level
N2 78.08%
O2 20.95%

Earth's crust
O 456000 ppm
Si 273000
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Catastrophe ,

Thanks for providing important details. We are more exposed to our almosphere & earth's crust. We can think some link between telepathy/inter-relationship & any responsible element which probably may serve the purpose of media. Now N2,O2 & Si are the most prominent elements in atmosphere & earth crust. These three elements will be present all over the earth. Now is it possible whether any of these element is serving the purpose of media. If possible, which one can be best speculated.
 
Kumar

I see what you are meaning but I am not very happy with the idea. I still favour some higher dimensional treatment. Dunne's work is very old and unsophisticated but I see a possibility there. A cornerstone.

I don't see why Earth distributions should have special importance unless you are invoking Gaia as an Earth entity specially connected to Earth elements.

For a more Universal treatment you might consider fundamental particles which are everywhere - protons, neutrons and electrons not to mention quarks and all that.

I certainly respect your ideas but cannot yet see them as being more possible than some others.

:)
 
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Now is it possible whether any of these element is serving the purpose of media. If possible, which one can be best speculated.
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Oh fer christs sake. Telepathy, homeopathy and any other kook concept has no basis worth talking about. Why the hell would your brains thought patterns transmit over a gas preferentially to anything?

Can someone please bin this thread or #cp postid=459193 \dev\null
 
For a more Universal treatment you might consider fundamental particles which are everywhere - protons, neutrons and electrons not to mention quarks and all that.
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Catastrophe

But can thes fundamental particles protons, neutrons and electrons not to mention quarks and all that, can exist freely in atmosphere. What can you think about silica. Our shedded skin particles(in millions regularily) also contains silica. It is bit peculier substance & may represent energy in some form.

Hello thed,

Just keep patience. You said for christs.
 
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Catastrophe

But can thes fundamental particles protons, neutrons and electrons not to mention quarks and all that, can exist freely in atmosphere. What can you think about silica. Our shedded skin particles(in millions regularily) also contains silica. It is bit peculier substance & may represent energy in some form.
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Skin is sand, sand is skin. yeh of course!


Hello thed,

just keep patience. You said for christs.
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I'm not a Christian. My patience has been tried and found wanting.
 
Hi thed,

Thanks. You just said 'Oh fer christs sake', then I thought you also follow some sprituals. That is all.
 
Originally posted by Catastrophe
Sad to see there may be sick people posting here.
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Thed,

It sickens me that there are people allowed to exist that have such a horrible understanding of science and the way things work. Hey, maybe I should take some silica! HAHAHAHAHA.


Anyhow, for all you 'spiritals' out there....damn, hell, shit.

Moderators: Move this thread and any thread by Kumar to pseudoscience please.
 
Originally posted by blackholesun
Thed,

It sickens me that there are people allowed to exist that have such a horrible understanding of science
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As a very wise man once said, they are not even wrong.

The theory of Polywater once had whole journals given over to it. A bit like cold fusion and other tripe. They have all been soundly refuted imo.
 
Originally posted by thed
As a very wise man once said, they are not even wrong.

The theory of Polywater once had whole journals given over to it. A bit like cold fusion and other tripe. They have all been soundly refuted imo.
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"This isn't right, this isn't even wrong."
- Wolfgang Pauli (1900-1958), upon reading a young physicist's paper

In all it's glory :)

Basically Kumar and Catastrophe, you're too far off track in this world to even help. Good luck in your journey to nowhere.
 
Catastrophe,

Your astrology experiences demonstrate an effect known as <b>confirmation bias</b>.

After the event, you look back at your horoscope to try to find matches between predictions and what actually happened. It is not surprise that you find some. But, in doing so, you also ignore all the thousands of wrong predictions made for you by astrology.

You're counting the "hits" and ignoring the "misses".
 
James R

I understand what you say, and it is applicable in some cases. However, if you read the relevant post you will find that the 'good fortune' was seen years in advance.

It was also no small event being concerned with a seven figure amount.

As I pointed out, I have a science degree and have worked ever since as a scientist. I do not believe in astrology, especially not the general stuff in the press, but this is a clear case of using 'the rules' to make a prediction which was found correct. The worst you can call it is coincidence.

Neither was there any element of control. I sold the technology of my company and did a reverse takeover with the plc shell. This was in 1991. The 'new' company took a long time to take off and for years the shares stood around £0.50. About 3 years ago, with no input from me (I ceased being a director around 1993) the company went on the AIM. Over a few weeks the shares rocketed to a maximum of over £30 each. I had no control whatsoever over this.
 
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