Astrology, a Effect or Calculation

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Kumar

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Hello Members,

Astrology mentions that nine/seven planets create effects on our birth & day to day life. But the science dis-approve this mentioning. But 'The Sun' do effect our life. Now my question is that:-

Whether the movements of planets is considered as their direct effect on us or just taken for calculation purposes (due to no watches in ancient times) for all the happenings due to some consolidated natural effects?
 
In this regard what our current science says, whether plannets other then 'The Sun' effect us physically,mentaly & directly or not. When moon is said to be responsible for tides in the Sea then it is likely that other plannets may also effect anyhow.
 
Originally posted by Kumar
In this regard what our current science says, whether plannets other then 'The Sun' effect us physically,mentaly & directly or not. When moon is said to be responsible for tides in the Sea then it is likely that other plannets may also effect anyhow.
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Well not DIRECTLY mentally or emotionally. But you must admit that people who truely believe in astrology are letting themselves be mentally and emotionally guided. But, no, currect science says nothing about the effect of us from planet alignment because there is nothing to it at all. So what that a planet has a gravitational field. So does my wallet; and that's right next to me. Point being that, yes, matter is affected by the gravitational fields of other planets and that affects orbits but it doesn't govern what happens in our personal life here on earth.
 
Hello blackholesun,

Thanks for reply. I think there can be following possibilities in this respect:-

1. Planets directly effect buy there rays/radiations as Sun Rays.

2. Planets directly effects due to the reflected rays/radiations (Sun>>Planets>>Earth).

3. Effects due to some change in planet's alignment in their attraction forces among each other ON the movements of planets. In other words, re-arrangements of relations/attractions/balance among differant planets on there change in positions.

4. Effects due to altered exposure/positions of the plannets towards earth resulting in altered reflections of rays/radiations or forces.

5. No direct or indirect effect on individuals, but these planets are just considered to exibit/define some time factor due to unavailability of time measuring instruments.

I think we can discuss in considerations of above points as I mentioned.

Best Wishes.
 
Remember the scare over the big planetary alignment back in 2000? Scaremongers predicted that the combined gravitational effects would rip the Earth from it's orbit, or cause earthquakes and tsunamis, or flip the magnetic poles.

Do you also remember that none of those things came to pass?

The truth is that the combined tidal effects from all the other planets combined, which are the most significant effects these planets can ever have on human beings on Earth, is less than the effect of a single Boeing 747 flying over you at 30000 feet.

Astrology has failed all rigorous tests of its supposed predictive power. Regardless of what mechanism is suggested for it, the fact is that it simply doesn't work as advertised.
 
it simply doesn't work as advertised.
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But there can be some lack of understandings, miscalculations, misinterpretations due to ignorances & vested interests. Unless, equal involvements(monentary & talents) as in other recents sciences, are taken, it can't be justified as fully rejected.

How the tides are related to moon, then. Can it be linked to time factor as seasons, seasonal changes, specific times changes(can be in years) , plants & animals time sences etc. with the planets positions. If some of these changes are related to differant planets?
 
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But there can be some lack of understandings, miscalculations, misinterpretations due to ignorances & vested interests. Unless, equal involvements(monentary & talents) as in other recents sciences, are taken, it can't be justified as fully rejected.

How the tides are related to moon, then. Can it be linked to time factor as seasons, seasonal changes, specific times changes(can be in years) , plants & animals time sences etc. with the planets positions. If some of these changes are related to differant planets?
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Tides are related to the gravitational pull of the moon. Nothing is special about this. Yes, maybe somewhere animals have adapted to there being a tide and use it as part of their survival but that strictly a biological reaction to an outside stimulus. The seasons are a direct consequence of the tilt of the earth in relation to its orbit. Again, you're asking about astrology and astrology is NOT the reaction of plants and animals to outside stimuli. Astrology deals with how the alignment of the planets affects our PERSONAL lives like if I'm luckier because Mars is closer to Venus or what have you. What I'm saying is astrology is bullshit but local planetary effects on life on earth are real...but for different reasons.
 
Thanks. It means somehow or the other planets create effects on earth & so on its substances. I think astrology have two basic types. Firstly, the mathematical side & secondly, the interpretation side. I feel, its mathematical side is more or less correct ,but its interpretation side is bit confusing & may not be accurate. The interpretation side is a very deep understanding
based on calculations which is judged by differant person differantly.

Except predictions, the other fixed type factors like defining personality,behaviours and some other basic aspects related to body & behaviour are also interpreted with some correctness. Human matching is also somewhat accurate. Gem stones & other healing's telling is also bit correct if recomended by a really known person.

Under all these considerations when some aspects also comes out to be correct, don't you feel that there can be some misunderstanding & misinterpretations by the person interpreting the predictions or other variable aspects.
 
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Thanks. It means somehow or the other planets create effects on earth & so on its substances. I think astrology have two basic types. Firstly, the mathematical side & secondly, the interpretation side. I feel, its mathematical side is more or less correct ,but its interpretation side is bit confusing & may not be accurate. The interpretation side is a very deep understanding
based on calculations which is judged by differant person differantly.

Except predictions, the other fixed type factors like defining personality,behaviours and some other basic aspects related to body & behaviour are also interpreted with some correctness. Human matching is also somewhat accurate. Gem stones & other healing's telling is also bit correct if recomended by a really known person.

Under all these considerations when some aspects also comes out to be correct, don't you feel that there can be some misunderstanding & misinterpretations by the person interpreting the predictions or other variable aspects.
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As James said, the other planets are too far away and don't really affect us at all. I personally think that all the interpretation that comes out of astrology is fault. It's nothing MORE than misunderstandings and mininterpretation.

Quick note: Gem stones are just that; gem stones. Nothing special about those. There are no personality or healing powers in them. They are just crystals.
 
Gem stones are made up of some minerals. Mixed with metal in which it is embedded, It may create effect through the skin in homeopathic doses. I have noted serious mistakes in recommending gem stones in general.

If other planets do not effect directly, then these might had been considered for some time/event calculation purposes.

Do we get some change in atmosphere/ atm.pressure due change in other planet positions.
 
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Do we get some change in atmosphere/ atm.pressure due change in other planet positions.
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No. The effect, if any, would be less than negligible.

Gem stones are made up of some minerals. Mixed with metal in which it is embedded, It may create effect through the skin in homeopathic doses.
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How so? It's just its atomic arrangement that makes them look as they are.

http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/gemstones/environment.html
 
Let me just add something, as I've been reading your other post concerning homeopathy.

You claim there has to be some basis for there to still be the practicing of astrology, homeopathy and other arts. Notice I can them arts as they are not of scientific value. Anyhow, the reason they still exist today is because of gullibility. People throughout history have been shown to willingly believe anything even in light of direct contrary evidence. Why? Because there is always someone around that takes advantage of other's weaknesses; people willing to try anything. So they look past rational explanations and turn toward what they think might change their life. It all comes down to simple logic and the lack of it that people have.
 
Every substance get degraded & shed some minute particles. We can get effects from these shedded particles in homeopathic doses.
 
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Every substance get degraded & shed some minute particles. We can get effects from these shedded particles in homeopathic doses.
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And there is absolutely NO evidence for that! You just believe it does. That's not science.
 
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Every substance get degraded & shed some minute particles.
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You are describing, I think, radiaoactive decay. Not all elements or their isotopes are radioactive. Bioactive compounds are certainly not radioactive, otherwise they would kill you.

Heres a thought for you. Take a room full of air. Remove half to another room (same size). Keep going until you have less than one atom of air in the room. Will you be able to survive in this room, without a space suite? Why not? Now apply this to homeopothy.

We can get effects from these shedded particles in homeopathic doses.
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Radium water anyone?
 
Thanks. Homeopathy suggests cures not compensate. If there is problem due to excess air ingestions in body than till such time this problem exists, homeopathic will work & after the problem is over, natural ingestions are necessary.

Whatever is there, can you pls tell that some very minute particles from the gemstone or metal will be shedded or not due to process of degradation. Particles means in all forms either in matter form or in energy form.
 
I find astrology very strange. I am a scientist but did do a lot of work on astrology some years ago. I found some remarkable 'coincidences' such as:

1) My father's death when I was 14 was indicated in the accepted manner.
2) For a long time I had a stressful period at work which again was indicated.
3) There was an indication of great financial fortune at a particular period. At that time shares I acquired at £0.01 (510,000 of them) transferred by reverse takeover to a company which went AIM. At this time they were about £0.50 each but rose to over £30 each. Sadly I sold quite a lot at much lower prices.
Too many more to list.

Now the interesting thing is that this method of calculation has nothing to do with 'here and now' effects (at least as far as I understand it) but is calculated on the basis of 'a day for a year'. Thirty days after birth relates to thirty years of age.

Perhaps it only proves that there are a lot of coincidences in life.
 
Thanks for sharing your experiances & views. All these long existed systems can have something in them but probably we could not yet understand them. Some vested intrests & ignorances also made them funny, but their real interpretations may be true. When gemstones are prescribed there are so many fine aspects which should be considered.Eg; Specific gemstones are specified acording to ascendants, but if it is strong asc. then only, gemstone have some use, if it is week then there is no use. Actually gemstone creates homeopathic type effects means it helps in assimilating the excess substances in the body which might have been created due to strong ascendant.
 
Kumar

Very interesting. I wonder whether Chaos Theory will have any bearing? Although I have a scientific background (I have many patents and have written several books including editing and writing half of one tome for Marcel Dekker which sells ar $200) I studied astrology whilst actually believing that it could not work. The 1 day = 1 year equation proves that no physical effect could be involved especially as any "transmitted effect" would presumably take the same time to travel irrespective of distance. The good fortune piece I remember very well because, at a comparatively young age, I thought why so much later in life - I could use it now.

I have experience of other matters too such as telepathy. One person I felt close to seemed to share this. We spoke from work by telephone most days and one day I said "Don't call me between 11 and 3 as I have a big meeting. At about 12 the meeting broke up briefly and I put in a quick call. The line was continually engaged. Eventually I got through and was told "I have been trying to phone you". I said "But I said I was in a meeting." Reply: "But you are there aren't you?"

Strange.

We had a small group of interested people and tried various of these things, like psychometry. I described how I was 'seeing' a building which looked like a ship. "I know it sounds silly", I said. One of the group recognised it as her school.

I could go on all day. BTW none of us was ever a 'professional' - just trying out of interest.
 
Anything can be possible. I appreciate your achievements. I just want to know;

It is said that everything at this earth is linked to other like bubbles in a swiming pools are linked to each other through its water. We have gravitational force & atmosphere. We are like moving in a tornado type atmosphere whose partcles are linked to each other as moving in same tornado. What do you think, how we can be linked to each other as in telepathy? I am also suspecting one other element which I will mention later.
 
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