If you believe in the possibilty of anything, that it is possible for the bible to be incorrect, possible for the sun to be really blue, etc why can't you accept the possibility that God does not exist?!!!!!!!
Originally posted by thefountainhed
If you believe in the possibilty of anything, that it is possible for the bible to be incorrect, possible for the sun to be really blue, etc why can't you accept the possibility that God does not exist?!!!!!!!
But the sun is blue.If you believe in the possibilty of anything, that it is possible for the bible to be incorrect, possible for the sun to be really blue, etc why can't you accept the possibility that God does not exist?!!!!!!!
Questions are a product of doubt, which is a product of lack of understanding.
I personally need a general model to work with and to base my understanding on. I don't operate on gathering peaces of evidance that might or might not belong, then peacing a puzzle which might or might not work.
My model of belief that I'm 100% comfortable with is that I'm a creation that was created by a universal order, mean one entity responsible for creating the entire universe.
I never question the multiplicity of my creator, nor do I question the fact that I'm a creation.
I'm here and I'm the biggest proof of creation along with the universe around me.
You present fact as if "facts" existed only in the scientific realm-- this is incorrect. Religious facts exist and can be proved through divination or whatever; this is fine as long as long it exists only in the realm of religion. Once it escapes that context, then different rules must necessarily apply.This is what I hate about theism. Your religions lay out all the supposed "Facts" for you right from the beginning, so none of you feel compelled to ask questions. That sucks, because it promotes ignorance.
LMAO. I was going to use "..that the sun was really black..." but decided against it for the side arguments it might conjure. The question itself is presented to bring forth the notion of possibility. You are saying in essence that subjectivity--what you observe and how you feel is really all that matters-- this is fine. But once you use notions such as possibility-- which exists outside the subjetive realm, then different rules must apply.But the sun is blue.
Rather, I still remember the time my mother snapped at me to not look directly at the sun. For the longest time I wondered about the idea of a yellow sun because it looked blue to me.
To an extent, you are correct. But then again, I have never found a theist who understood everything their God; do you poropose to know everything about the God you believe in? Then why not question, if questioning is a product of a lack of understanding?Questions are a product of doubt, which is a product of lack of understanding. I personally need a general model to work with and to base my understanding on.
So then what general model is that belief based upon? There is nothing special about order or disorder. And a 'universal order' does not imply a single entity resposible for creating the entire universerve-- in fact it does not present anything except the "order" itself.I don't operate on gathering peaces of evidance that might or might not belong, then peacing a puzzle which might or might not work. My model of belief that I'm 100% comfortable with is that I'm a creation that was created by a universal order, mean one entity responsible for creating the entire universe.
No, you are the biggest proof of your conciousness-- that you exist and can observe, feel, etc what that consciouness allows you to observe, feel, etc. Your existence presents your existence; it does not provide a basis of how you came to being-- whether chnaced, created, or chanced and created. You don't care to understand that which you do not know and yet believe in. What kind of model is this that you propose to use? And again my quetsion was this: If you claim the possibility that the being or entity you believe in can do anything as you donot understand everything about that being/entity, you are using the notion of possibility. This implies or can imply therefore that it is possible for that being to not exist. Why is it that you use a concept that exissts outside your subjective to explain your subjective but cannot accept its other implications? It is possible that I am both dead and alive.I never question the multiplicity of my creator, nor do I question the fact that I'm a creation. Everything else is up in the air for me, and doesn't really matter. How does universal order look like? What is it? How did it create the universe? how did it create me? That all doesn't matter. I'm here and I'm the biggest proof of creation along with the universe around me.
First, don't assume. Second, interpretation of the "scriptures" is by default subjective. I am not denying or accepting a God or a definition of a God. You are not answering my question.Perhaps those who are so bright to deny Gods existance , ought to question weither they are denying their personal imagination of the defintion of God , or the God as revealed ion scriptures .
When did I use ignorant? I question my understanding and definition of a God. Still dodging the original question.If you are so eager to question the existance of that what you consider so ignorant , be also sure to question your own understanding of that what is presented to you as God . Not just that what peoples present , but that what scriptures present .
Assumptions! Assumptions! Assumptions!What Im very tired of is see atheist arguing with religious folks about that same inexisting object of discussion they either do or do not believe in .
Originally posted by JDawg
So what you're saying is that rather than going and finding out for yourself, you need someone to lay things out for you? "Forget the evidence! Just spoon-feed me the truth!"
Please tell me you really didn't mean that.
Originally posted by JDawg
But what is that based on? You just said you don't go and gather evidence and try to make decisions on your own, so how do you go about coming to this conclusion?
Originally posted by JDawg
This is what I hate about theism. Your religions lay out all the supposed "Facts" for you right from the beginning, so none of you feel compelled to ask questions. That sucks, because it promotes ignorance.
Originally posted by JDawg
You can't prove a theory with the thing who's origin is at question, Flores. That would be like me saying "I'm here, and I'm the biggest proof of evolution, along with the universe around me."
JDAWG: You have absolutely no mind
Did you understand what I meant by a working model...
How did Newton go about finding the law of gravity. He sat underneath a tree and observed that an apple falls downward.
Hate all you want, I don't give a crap. As far as promoting ignorance, you see to be pulling your share equally.
I'm a 100% sure that universal order is singular.
There is so much to support my notion. Just look at infinity. How many infinities are out there? They are not infinite my friend, it's ONE.
I know that my basis in the belief in one god is stronger than steel.
You present fact as if "facts" existed only in the scientific realm-- this is incorrect.
Religious facts exist and can be proved through divination or whatever;
this is fine as long as long it exists only in the realm of religion. Once it escapes that context, then different rules must necessarily apply.
To a certain extent, it's the difference between perception and invention when assimilating reality. When I looked into the sun, it appeared to my eye to be blue.You are saying in essence that subjectivity--what you observe and how you feel is really all that matters-- this is fine. But once you use notions such as possibility-- which exists outside the subjetive realm, then different rules must apply.
Originally posted by Flores
I'm a 100% sure that universal order is singular. There is so much to support my notion. Just look at infinity. How many infinities are out there? They are not infinite my friend, it's ONE.
I know that my basis in the belief in one god is stronger than steel. Now, you go along and check the sand castle on the beach that you are busy building.