Amnesty accuses Israel of 'serious rights abuses!

[Zephyr]

If the Syrian army was capable of defeating Israels, I'm sure it would not call an artillery barriage on a civilian center in Israel (the real terrorist) UNLESS ITS FOR SEVERE REASONs.

Have you heard of the Hama massacre? 30 000 Syrian civilians killed in a few weeks by the Syrian army. That's more than the total of Israelis and Palestinians killed in a decade of Intifada.

The question is, has Assad learned from his father's mistakes?

What kind of ruler on the face of this earth would counter-respond against 200 people like Syria’s ruler did? Instead of chasing them to capture them and put them on trial or even negotiate with them, he bombards their city with missiles, tanks and artillery killing children, women, elderly and innocent civilians and destroying homes over the heads of its inhabitants, which resulted in some 30,000 humans casualties, all dead because no wounded or prisoners were taken alive. The Syrian regime raided hospitals and killed all the wounded there without making any distinction between civilians and combatants. They did not even bother with the questions: who do we kill and why? What is the crime of newborns, women, and elderly?

 

[Ganymede]

Have you heard of the Hama massacre? 30 000 Syrian civilians killed in a few weeks by the Syrian army. That's more than the total of Israelis and Palestinians killed in a decade of Intifada.

The question is, has Assad learned from his father's mistakes?

The Al-Tallia magazine, which is issued in Paris after the massacre, conveyed a statement from a Syrian official trying to reason what happened during the massacre: “About 200 armed men emerged at the night of February 2nd, 1982 and occupied the city. They executed about 90 people of the regime followers, took over important city offices and landmarks, and announced an armed disobedience, which forced the Syrian authority to undertake a decision to clean the city of them and to restore law and order.”

They couldn't help it that the terrorists were hiding amongst the civilians. So don't blame Syria, blame the terrorists

Isn't that what you right wingers tell us to Justify American and Israeli bombs kills thousands of civillians?

 

[Zephyr]

Isn't that what you right wingers tell us to Justify American and Israeli bombs kills thousands of civillians?

I'm not a right winger. A chicken can only fly with both wings

Yes, that is what they say. Conversely, you could say that Syria used exactly the same excuse as right wingers do. Mutual hypocrisy, do you think?

 

[spidergoat]

I don't know how you became a moderator. As a moderator shouldn't you distance yourself from such ridiculous views.

I was assigned the task due to my interest in the forum, and I suppose a percieved amount of fairness.

Why are my views ridiculous and why should a moderator not have such opinions?

 

[Ganymede]

Originally Posted by DiamondHearts
I don't know how you became a moderator. As a moderator shouldn't you distance yourself from such ridiculous views.

Before Spider came this board was quickly becomming a White Nationalist Forum. Lead by Prince James, Baron Max, Count, Sheelbenhorst and many others. He's done an excellent job at moderating these forums. Now I can come here and talk about the issues. And not about who's superior and who's inferior.

 

[Nickelodeon]

spidergoat is a decent Mod.

 

[otheadp]

who cares about this report. Amnesty's reputation and credibility has been weakened in the last several years. unfortunately it ain't the same organization that it was only a decade ago.

here's a little something to read about this particular report:

[...]
As Amnesty releases its annual report on human rights for 2006, amid highly choreographed public relations events, and repeating the familiar condemnations of Israel and America, NGO Monitor has also published a report on Amnesty’s activities in the Middle East. The result is not a pretty picture for those clinging to the “halo effect.”

Using a detailed and sophisticated qualitative model for comparing relative resources devoted to the different countries, this report clearly shows that in 2006, Amnesty singled out Israel for condemnation of human rights to a far greater extent than Iran, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Libya, Syria, Egypt, and other chronic abusers of human rights.

During the year, Amnesty issued 48 publications critical of Israel, compared to 35 for Iran, 2 for Saudi Arabia, and only 7 for Syria. Many of the attacks directed at Israel took place during the war with Hezbollah, but this terror group and state-within-a-state also got relatively little attention from Amnesty.

Furthermore, as Amnesty has almost no professional researchers, many of the “factual” claims in these reports were provided by “eyewitnesses,” whose political affiliations and credibility can be only guessed. And the language used in these reports also reflects an obsessive and unjustified singling out of Israel, with frequent use of terms such “disproportionate attacks,” “war crimes,” and “violations of international humanitarian law.”

And while Amnesty International was founded to fight for the freedom of political prisoners, the officials in charge of this organization failed to issue a single statement calling for the release of the Israeli soldiers that were kidnapped by Hezbollah and Hamas, and who have not been heard from since their illegal capture.

These and many other details published in NGO Monitor’s report on Amnesty provide further evidence that this powerful NGO has lost its way, and is no longer a “respectable” or credible human rights organization.
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[DiamondHearts]

I was assigned the task due to my interest in the forum, and I suppose a percieved amount of fairness.

Why are my views ridiculous and why should a moderator not have such opinions?

Why do you assume that Arabs are inherently violent?

Also why do you view the problem with the Palestine conflict is that Muslims hate Jews?

That's an extremely false oversimplification.

Before Spider came this board was quickly becomming a White Nationalist Forum. Lead by Prince James, Baron Max, Count, Sheelbenhorst and many others. He's done an excellent job at moderating these forums. Now I can come here and talk about the issues. And not about who's superior and who's inferior.

It still is. Have you read all the stuff coming from sandy and the other extreme Republicans on the forum?

 

[spidergoat]

I assume all humans are inherently violent. It was only recently recognized that civilians should not be included as targets in warfare. Terrorism is not a new phenomenon, and it isn't limited to Arabs or the Middle East, but they do employ it. I didn't mean to single out Arabs as the only ones doing this, look at Northern Ireland, the Basque Separatists, the Tamil Tigers.

I do view the problems in Palestine as largely religious in origin. Islam is particularly intolerant of non-believers, in spite of deriving their Koran from the Jewish Bible. Jews have their share of intolerance, too, originating in a delusional belief that some parcel of land was ordained to them by God. If both parties were secular, there wouldn't be much in the way of an orderly comprimise.

 

[leopold]

Israeli soldiers and Jewish settlers committed "serious human rights abuses" against the Palestinians in 2006, mostly with impunity,

there is barely a country on the planet that isn't guilty of the same thing.

 

[GeoffP]

Also why do you view the problem with the Palestine conflict is that Muslims hate Jews?

It was the initiator of the problems; intransigence and religious fascism.

Both, of course, are still problems today in that area.

 

[GeoffP]

The Al-Tallia magazine, which is issued in Paris after the massacre, conveyed a statement from a Syrian official trying to reason what happened during the massacre: “About 200 armed men emerged at the night of February 2nd, 1982 and occupied the city. They executed about 90 people of the regime followers, took over important city offices and landmarks, and announced an armed disobedience, which forced the Syrian authority to undertake a decision to clean the city of them and to restore law and order.”

30,000 civilian deaths to root out only 200 terrorists? How many civilians were the terrorists hiding behind? 150 each?

 

[otheadp]

Jews have their share of intolerance, too, originating in a delusional belief that some parcel of land was ordained to them by God

so Jews have "delusional beliefs" about their ancient holy places, whereas a degenerate Arab's blind worship of "al-Quds" and blind hatred and killing of al-Yahud is natural and expected?

fuck you

 

[S.A.M.]

I assume all humans are inherently violent. It was only recently recognized that civilians should not be included as targets in warfare. Terrorism is not a new phenomenon, and it isn't limited to Arabs or the Middle East, but they do employ it. I didn't mean to single out Arabs as the only ones doing this, look at Northern Ireland, the Basque Separatists, the Tamil Tigers.

I do view the problems in Palestine as largely religious in origin. Islam is particularly intolerant of non-believers, in spite of deriving their Koran from the Jewish Bible. Jews have their share of intolerance, too, originating in a delusional belief that some parcel of land was ordained to them by God. If both parties were secular, there wouldn't be much in the way of an orderly comprimise.

If both parties were secular? You mean like the Marxist LTTE and the Buddhist Sinhalese of Sri Lanka?

 

[GeoffP]

There's other ways to catch terrorists. You don't have to carpet bomb civilian towns.

Carpet bomb? Please, be serious now.