American CONTRACTOR beheaded today.....+3

[crazymikey]

Maybe you missed the part where these people cut someones head off with a knife. You are comparing this action to pointing and laughing at someone's genatals?

No, it was a prank played on the US. The guy who got his head chopped off was just the butt of the joke. Besides, as per your policies, we need more of these "pranks" It's all relative in the end, isn't it?

You consider laughing at a helpless prisoners, stripping them naked, and forcing them to simulate homosexual sex, and piling them up together, while the soldiers take photographs to send back home, a trivial or non issue. Meanwhile, the Iraqi "terrorists" consider it a trivial or non issue, to behead a mere US citizen.

So whose right, and whose wrong? Let's just give all the benefit of the doubt, besides we need them to do this, to save planet Earth, right?

 

[Paula]

Liberalism is, in my mind, an excuse for mental laziness and absence of political will. This is not to say I love Bush, I think he's gone and messed up this whole situation. I am basically in the center and I wish we could get someone who could play the diplomacy game while simultaneously dealing with national security and the economy.

 

[dsdsds]

it is about superiority/inferiority to a degree
i think the west, i.e. western culture, is superior in this sense, because it does not allow this treatment of prisoners, no matter how bad the crime is.

the headchoppers may think they'e superior but so what? does that equate me to them? making me as bad as them?

hardly

you know what would make us a little bit more equal? i we started fighting fire with fire
but even then we'd be superior

A book was once written on superiority/inferiority subject:

"It would be justifiable to speak of Germanization only if that process could change the blood of the people who would be subjected to it, which is obviously impossible. A change would be possible only by a mixture of blood, but in this case the quality of the superior race would be debased. The final result of such a mixture would be that precisely those qualities would be destroyed which had enabled the conquering race to achieve victory over an inferior people."

[Chapter 2, Vol. 2]
Mein Kampf

 

[crazymikey]

Paula, how is your national security endangered by the Iraqi people? You are not the victim here missy, the victims are those millions of Iraqis, who are dying everyday from war, famine and disease. The victims are those innocent Iraqi's who are being exploited and sexually abused by the US and British.

You have absolutely no right to play victim here. When, the Iraqi terrorists come to your den and abuse you, then you can play victim. Till then, don't make yourself look like a hypocrit.

 

[otheadp]

dsdsds:
it's not about blood, it's about culture

 

[otheadp]

crazymikey:
come on, sing it with me:
"i love you, you love me, we're a happy family"

 

[Greco]

No, it was a prank played on the US. The guy who got his head chopped off was just the butt of the joke. Besides, as per your policies, we need more of these "pranks" It's all relative in the end, isn't it?

You consider laughing at a helpless prisoners, stripping them naked, and forcing them to simulate homosexual sex, and piling them up together, while the soldiers take photographs to send back home, a trivial or non issue. Meanwhile, the Iraqi "terrorists" consider it a trivial or non issue, to behead a mere US citizen.

So whose right, and whose wrong? Let's just give all the benefit of the doubt, besides we need them to do this, to save planet Earth, right?

Hey Crazymikey, you think the beheading was a CIA prank to make us forget about the prisoner abuse? What's to stop the CIA from paying some thugs to pull this off, afterall Nick Berg was arrested at one time by the Iraqi police and then held by the US. This whole thing stinks of CIA dirty tricks.

 

[crazymikey]

Greco, I was being sarcastic. However, it certainly is a possibility that this beheading was executed(no pun intended) on the orders of the CIA, to take of the pressure from the US abuses. Then again, it also also possible, that these thugs really did behead Nick Berg for retribution.

In fact Nick Bergs's family blames the US strange enough, saying that thus thugs had offered to exchange Nick Berg for POW's, and the US refusal, possibly ticked them off.
It's all too messy, to say, what really happend. However, none of it should happen, and in the end the US is responsible for everything.

 

[otheadp]

it certainly is a possibility that this beheading was executed(no pun intended) on the orders of the CIA

Bush knew!

in a week there's gonna be a whole web-ring of sites about the "CIA cover-up", Bush's involvement, the "suppression of truth", and other Michael Moore-ish crap

 

[buffys]

Liberalism is, in my mind, an excuse for mental laziness and absence of political will.

you're half right, "ism's" are an excuse for mental lazyness...


I'm not a big fan of US forein policy in general but I'm behind them on the "don't deal with kidnappers... ever, for any reason" policy. There isn't much choice, if you make even 1 deal and you have something/someone they want, you put EVERY american there at risk.

I would almost certainly sing a different tune if he was my brother but I'd be wrong, I think in this one case the US made the right choice by not dealing.

 

[crazymikey]

Bush knew!

in a week there's gonna be a whole web-ring of sites about the "CIA cover-up", Bush's involvement, the "suppression of truth", and other Michael Moore-ish crap

Why does the CIA need a cover-up, when it's obvious the US is responsible for this?

 

[Paula]

Crazymikey,

Where and when did I say:

1. Iraq is a threat to our national security
2. I am the victim
3. I am a "miss"
4. Iraqis should be sexually and physically abused by anyone
5. Iraqis are or are not dying from famine, war and disease
6. the word Iraq
7. the word Iraqi

You were wrong on almost every word of your post. Congratulations...that's a record.

 

[Esoteric]

I love it how the moral relativists jump to the defense of these sick fucks.

The naked prisoner photos were disgusting and a blemish on the US. Fine, I agree.

The beheading is equal reciprocity in the eyes of a few zealots. Um, no.

Unless you're willing to concede that these extremists are less-human than the west, and thus cannot be relied upon to behave as anything more than animals swept up in blind rage.

hate to rain on your little parade, but that guy was beheaded by a fundamentalist terrorist cell, NOT a soveriegn nation or government and NOT a representation of Iraqi people....

...whereas OUR soldiers from The US and Britain, apparently the moral guardians of the world, the world's peacebringers and policemen, are shown humiliating and torturing prisioners....with reports of rape, beatings and murder, further more graphic and incriminating pictures and videos being witheld from the public and the governements actually admitting that worse is to come.

 

[Yazan]

Sorry I did not follow all the posts, but I would like say my opinion
First as every body what happened was unacceptable at all.
I blame the US government (army and politicians).
The US sends commandos guys and special agents who appear as if they are contractors. Iraqis believe that any American there might be an agent. Also I saw once an interview with an American guy intend to go to Iraq.
“”””I know that I might get killed but, hey its a lot of money, I think its worth it””” he replied when asked about the risk of going there. I think this is silly. I’m sure that every one there is for money and it’s not a moral reason; it’s not to help the Iraqis to have a better life (it might be a second or a third reason for some). Its all about money, so why the risk? Is it worth it?
Every body should know that his life is not important only for him. How do you think the killed man’s family is now?

 

[crazymikey]

Crazymikey,

Where and when did I say:

1. Iraq is a threat to our national security
2. I am the victim
3. I am a "miss"
4. Iraqis should be sexually and physically abused by anyone
5. Iraqis are or are not dying from famine, war and disease
6. the word Iraq
7. the word Iraqi

You were wrong on almost every word of your post. Congratulations...that's a record.

I am basically in the center and I wish we could get someone who could play the diplomacy game while simultaneously dealing with national security and the economy.

It was implied from the above. However, if I'm wrong, then I apologize, perhaps you should elaborate on your position on this situation, to prevent further misunderstanding.

 

[wesmorris]

well the thing is, wasn't he killed a few months ago or something?

the timing of the "release" of this video seems uhm... strange.

 

[Proud_Muslim]

Paula, how is your national security endangered by the Iraqi people? You are not the victim here missy, the victims are those millions of Iraqis, who are dying everyday from war, famine and disease. The victims are those innocent Iraqi's who are being exploited and sexually abused by the US and British.

You have absolutely no right to play victim here. When, the Iraqi terrorists come to your den and abuse you, then you can play victim. Till then, don't make yourself look like a hypocrit.

Very well said, they kill, torture and rape Muslims and then they cry MUSLIM TERRORISTS !!! Pathetic.

 

[buffys]

wesmorris,

yeah, I thought that was odd too, I'm suprised it isn't a bigger part of the coverage as that little detail changes the politics and motives of the whole issue.

 

[Paula]

I heard he was killed last Saturday, his body was found that day, the family was told Monday but did not know the details until the website put the video up. He was held for awhile though.

crazymikey,

I said I wanted someone to properly handle our national security, our economy and our diplomatic relationships. All of these are supposed to be the President's job in the first place. I am a fan of neither the extreme left or right, I am a center Democrat. I really don't understand why that statement was controversial.

 

[otheadp]

hate to rain on your little parade, but that guy was beheaded by a fundamentalist terrorist cell, NOT a soveriegn nation or government and NOT a representation of Iraqi people....
technicalities and semantics... what a bunch of crap
"fundamentalist terrorist cell"... how is that subjective wording even relevant?
"not a sovereign nation or government"... but it is one of the elements of the insurgency
"not a representation of Iraqi people"... i think the whole insurgency is not a representation of "Iraqi people". they are however representatives of the insurgents, who consist almost entirely of Iraqis. who do you think is in Abu Ghraib? the insurgents.

wesmoris,
the time of release is now because the tape had only been received now.