Afterlife

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jr_

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Hello,

My view regarding life, death and afterlife:

"You are a self-aware human being. This sensation will continue to exist in those self-aware entities that will be born after your death, whether those entities will be humans or some other form of sentient life. Thus, in a sense you (or rather the feeling of "I am", which you have had while alive) will live again - although nothing that is a part of the entity that is you, will survive your death.

I feel this is the most important simple lesson that a human being can learn. There is nothing supernatural or mystical about it - there is no survival of soul, such thing doesn't exist. It is just the way life is. It sets us free.

Proof of this is the fact that you are alive and self-aware. We are the afterlife of those who have gone before us."

I believe this to be the only true and logical explanation of what happens after death and it removes a great deal of the fear of death, if not all of it.

Of course, I still remain openminded about changes / expansions to my model if there ever should emerge evidence for such things as "higher level of existence" or "soul" -- but to this date, I have yet to meet assuring indications of such [immaterial if you like] things.

Your thoughts? :)
 
You are conscious, aware, only through thought. The other animals use thought--the dog, for example, can recognize its owner--in a simple manner. They recognize without using language. Humans have added to the structure of thought, making it much more complex. Thought is not yours or mine; it is our common inheritance. There is no such thing as your mind and my mind. There is only mind -- the totality of all that has been known, felt, and experienced by man, handed down from generation to generation. We are all thinking and functioning in that "thought sphere", just as we all share the same atmosphere for breathing. The thoughts are there to function and communicate in this world sanely and intelligently.
 
Man has abandoned the natural intelligence of the body. That is why I say--it is my "doom song"--that the day man experienced that consciousness that made him feel separate and superior to the other animals, at that moment he began sowing the seeds of his own destruction. This warped view of life is slowly pushing the entire thinking towards total annihilation. There is nothing you can do to halt it.
 
There is no such thing as absolute. It is thought, and thought alone, that has created the absolute. Absolute zero, absolute power, absolute perfection, these have been invented by the holy men and "experts". They kidded themselves and others.
 
Averages cannot describe reality. To become aware of things through the senses is an entertainingly misleading deception of the highest kind. To see, understand, or grasp mentally is all that you can do. The senses have no way of looking at any physically observable fact or event except through the knowledge you have about them. You can't experience what you don't know. We have to accept the reality of the world as it is imposed on us. Doing so helps us to function sanely and intelligently. Otherwise we will end up in a loony bin singing loony tunes and merry melodies.
 
Awareness can never be separated from the activity of the brain. That is the reason why I always describe what is happening here (pointing to himself) in physical terms. "The reflection of that, (pointing to a cushion) whatever it is, on the retina, and to experience that without naming it," is only a clever game we are playing with ourselves. You think that recognition is separate from naming. This is not true. Recognition and naming are one and the same. Whether I name it or not, the very recognition of you as a man or that as a pillow, itself means that the naming is already there, whether I use the word or not. That is the reason why I point out to the people who say that the word is not the thing, the word is the the thing. If the word is not the thing, what the hell is it? It is all right for the philosophers to sit and discuss everlastingly that the word is not the thing. That implies that there is something there other than the word. So you cannot accept the fact that the word is the object. That is, even if you say that there is an object without using the word, it means that there is a separation there. What I am trying to tell you is how this division, separation is occurring.
 
spidergoat said:
You are conscious, aware, only through thought. The other animals use thought--the dog, for example, can recognize its owner--in a simple manner. They recognize without using language. Humans have added to the structure of thought, making it much more complex. Thought is not yours or mine; it is our common inheritance. There is no such thing as your mind and my mind. There is only mind -- the totality of all that has been known, felt, and experienced by man, handed down from generation to generation. We are all thinking and functioning in that "thought sphere", just as we all share the same atmosphere for breathing. The thoughts are there to function and communicate in this world sanely and intelligently.
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Are you saying there is no individual mind - that we share the same mind? Then why can't I read your thoughts? Is it a skill that can be learned? How do thoughts assure sanity or intelligence?
 
spidergoat said:
You can't experience what you don't know. We have to accept the reality of the world as it is imposed on us. Doing so helps us to function sanely and intelligently. Otherwise we will end up in a loony bin singing loony tunes and merry melodies.
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I can perfectly experience gravity without knowing anything about it, can't you? I agree with the rest though.
 
spidergoat said:
Awareness can never be separated from the activity of the brain.
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This is most likely true.
spidergoat said:
You think that recognition is separate from naming. This is not true. Recognition and naming are one and the same.
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Where from do you draw this interpretation of me thinking they are separate?
 
Mind is not brain. Mind is the accumulation of ideas that create our reality.

Incidently, I copied all this from U.G.'s site, he said I could.
My teaching, if that is the word you want to use, has no copyright. You are free to reproduce, distribute, interpret, misinterpret, distort, garble, do what you like, even claim authorship, without my consent or the permission of anybody.
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spidergoat said:
Man has abandoned the natural intelligence of the body.
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What is this intelligence like and how does it differ from intelligence that is common to humans today? How is it natural?

I have this slight feeling that we're going a bit off topic, but it's fine with me. :)
 
spidergoat said:
Mind is not brain. Mind is the accumulation of ideas that create our reality.
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Looks like you might have a bit different definition for reality than me.. how do ideas create reality? Are you saying you can 'wish' something to be real and this thought alone makes it so?
 
jr_ said:
Are you saying there is no individual mind - that we share the same mind? Then why can't I read your thoughts? Is it a skill that can be learned? How do thoughts assure sanity or intelligence?
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There is no individual conscious mind, but an individual unconscious mind. According to evolution we all came from one bacteria - objectively speaking, that means that ALL of us were that one bacteria. That bacteria is made up of atoms, meaning that we all were once an atom. So everything , living and non-living emerged from the samething.

Think about it, you don't create your ideas or thoughts, they are just transformations of what was already there.
 
jr_ said:
Looks like you might have a bit different definition for reality than me.. how do ideas create reality? Are you saying you can 'wish' something to be real and this thought alone makes it so?
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The conscious mind doesn't control reality, the subconscious mind does. Just as the subconscious controls your breathing, heart rate, etc... it controls your subjective reality.
 
how do ideas create reality? Are you saying you can 'wish' something to be real and this thought alone makes it so?
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Let me give you this analogy, I find it hard to concentrate on more than one thing at a time. When I'm watching TV, and someone tries to talk to me, and I concentrate on what they are saying, the sounds from the TV become chaotic and unintelligible, and vica versa, if I concentrate on the TV, the words are only chaotic sounds. So, it is the brain that makes the difference between chaotic noise, and music or speech.
I assert that all perception is this way. It is instilled in us from birth. I recommend the movie "The Mystery of Kasper Hauser" by Werner Herzog. It is about an otherwise normal man who was raised in a barn with almost no human interaction. He is released into the town square one day and... well, we see over the course of the movie, how much we take for granted the role of our own cultural conditioning in perception.
 
Are you saying you can 'wish' something to be real and this thought alone makes it so?
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It is almost impossible to fool yourself into thinking reality is something radically different than what do have been taught, but not impossible, it is quite common in schizophrenics.
 
All right.. but still I don't see what your posts have directly to do with my original post and its ideas. (If you think they have, I would appreciate a simple explanation that would tie these ideas together..)

How do you see the death of a human being, what happens to us in it?

Would you agree with me that the sensation of self-awareness continues to exist despite the death of an individual [-- in other to-be-born individuals]?
 
VitalOne said:
The conscious mind doesn't control reality, the subconscious mind does. Just as the subconscious controls your breathing, heart rate, etc... it controls your subjective reality.
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I can easily control my breath consciously, can't you?
 
Spidergoat,

Up until now I didn't realize how much I agree with U.G.Krishnamurti.
Thanks for pointing me to his website.
 
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