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YJ Park

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What were Luther's non-negotiables? Why wouldn't he recant?

Were there others, before Luther, who revolted or challenged the ideas of the church?

Why did the Pope dislike Luther?

Should Luther respect the authority's beliefs and ideas or challenge them with his own?

Please answer those questions if you know
 
YJ Park said:
What were Luther's non-negotiables? Why wouldn't he recant?

Were there others, before Luther, who revolted or challenged the ideas of the church?

Why did the Pope dislike Luther?

Should Luther respect the authority's beliefs and ideas or challenge them with his own?

Please answer those questions if you know


Wow! You actually want someone here to do your homework for you? That's your job, not ours!
 
why wouldn't he recant? because recanting was not so simple then as it is now. back then, to recant was to throw away your name and your reputation, and without a reputation luther, an aristocratic nobleman whose ideas supported the Divine Right theory, would have been nothing. he could not recant because it would have ruined him.

Luther was the first dissenter in the entirety of Church history. this is why his ideas could spread so far--nobody opposed them because they were unused to it. by the time the Church could stop him he had already established a foothold.

the Pope disliked Luther not on the grounds of beliefs--privately he shared the same--but because of Luther's mistreatment of the Pope's sister.

Luther's challenge to authority was out of place. he wanted things to remain static and the Church was moving with the times, so he stepped forth and declared that he demanded the status quo--and he wanted it now!
 
YJ Park said:
What were Luther's non-negotiables? Why wouldn't he recant?

You will have to do some home work on His non-negotiable. But if one thinks one is right then to recant is to lie to conscience.



Were there others, before Luther, who revolted or challenged the ideas of the church?

Yes many. Most of them who expressed their disagreements publicly and stood by them ended up being executed in some way, usually burnt to death. Most kept their personal views personal for this reason.



Why did the Pope dislike Luther?

Luther represented a challenge to the pope's absolute Authority. disagreeing with someone who is deemed to be the infallible representative of God on earth is tantamount to disagreeing with God Himself. Something like that cannot be allowed by the pope. If allowed to stand then it undermines the popes absolute control.



Should Luther respect the authority's beliefs and ideas or challenge them with his own?

Everyone should stand up for what they believe to be the truth as long as they are absolutely convinced of it. It does not matter if one has to stand against the "authority" if the religious authority is wrong then it is not the true authority.


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why wouldn't he recant? because recanting was not so simple then as it is now. back then, to recant was to throw away your name and your reputation, and without a reputation luther, an aristocratic nobleman whose ideas supported the Divine Right theory, would have been nothing. he could not recant because it would have ruined him.

luther was not an aristocratic nobleman.

from wikipedia - "His father owned a copper mine in nearby Mansfeld. Having risen from the peasantry, his father was determined to see his son ascend to civil service and bring further honor to the family. To that end, Hans sent young Martin to schools in Mansfeld, Magdeburg and Eisenach."

more like a lower middle class merchant whose family had no hereditary title or high society standing.

luther didnt recant because the political climate in which he found himself in was (to his utter surprise) far more receptive than he thought it would be. he was allowed to maintain his position because he was offered protection from the church's possible retaliation by people who were in a position to offer it (namely a couple of european princes). whether they offered it out of political expediency in trying to disrupt the power of the church in their own lands or because they were intellectually sympathetic to luther depends on what account you read i think. by all estimations, luther nailed the theses to the door of the church intending to start little more than a theological debate among educated people within the church. if it hadnt been for the printing press allowing for copies of the list to be made and disseminated widely, luther would remain virtually unknown to this day i suspect. he was a relatively insignificant personality within the church heirarchy before this, even by his own standards he was not a great monk, or especially educated.



Luther was the first dissenter in the entirety of Church history. this is why his ideas could spread so far--nobody opposed them because they were unused to it. by the time the Church could stop him he had already established a foothold.

thats not really true at all. Arius was a great dissenter. the entire eastern orthodox wing of the church constitutes dissenters from the roman catholic norm. there were plenty of dissenters from day one of the church. there in truth is little difference between heretics and church dissenters at many points in history because the church was such a pervasive force in europe that to oppose it or any of its doctrines openly at all, whether you were a christian or not resulted in your persecution and treatment as a heretic. dissent was heresy. the theses were opposed bitterly, and luther was excommunicated which is considered one of the worst things that the catholic church can do to you, and usually resulted in your being instantly ostracized from society. however, the complaints that luther had about the church made sense and people wanted some answers, so the church just couldnt write it off completely once the ideas were out there in a public forum. the other part of it is that there was a wide gap between the ruling positions of the church and the average priest or monk, and the excesses of bishops, archbishops, popes...etc. did not go unnoticed by the lower ranks of the clergy, they too were revolted by some of these practices, and for the church to openly oppose luther and admit that they engaged in this kind of blatant hypocrisy and debauchery would be to risk alienating the people who actually comprised the real substance of the church and perpetuated their ability to even ever reach such levels of wealth and power in the first place. so they chose to deny luther in part, address some of the greivances in at least a minor way, and be more careful not to flaunt their blatant abuses of power and disregard for the rules of their own religion in the future.
 
YJ Park said:
What were Luther's non-negotiables? Why wouldn't he recant?
That the pope is fallible, that doctrines of the Catholic Church was corrupt, which made the HMC corrupt.

Were there others, before Luther, who revolted or challenged the ideas of the church?
Craploads. Jan Hus, for instance...ever heard of the Hussite wars? Also a bunch of scientists of the age.

Why did the Pope dislike Luther?
Luther was rebelling against the HMC, against the Papacy, i.e against the Pope.

Should Luther respect the authority's beliefs and ideas or challenge them with his own?
Always, ALWAYS, challenge authority, always question it, and of course, always rebel against it. In the famous words of N.W.A: Fuck tha police!
 
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once again my humour is lost on the masses.

when someone asks you to do their homework, agree! and then give them false information.
 
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