A smacked child is a successful child, study finds

[Baron Max]

Why do you always ask questions, but never provide answers?

Because I seldom have any answers! Phlog, I've seen far too much to think that I know anything at this point in my life. As to my questions, I ask them of myself all the freakin' time.

But y'all, ....well, y'all seem to know everything about everything. So shouldn't I try to learn from people who know everything about everything? Surely you wouldn't suggest that I remain an ignorant bastard all the rest of my life, would you? If so, that's pretty damned cruel.

Baron Max

 

[shorty_37]

From that question, I can tell that you don't know shit about disciplining kids.


Baron Max

My son tore out a screen on a door and went walking on the hwy when he was 2 yrs old. The cops were called. I was so embarrassed for them to think I was a bad Mom. I

I have been saying this, in every thread on the same topic Baron.

I also wonder where is everybody when a 2 yr old RIPS down a screen door and heads out to the highway??????????? :bugeye: She didn't want anybody to think she was a bad mother???
ummmmmmmmm if I left my 2 yr unsupervised that long that they could break down a door and leave the house..........I would feel like a bad mother.

 

[PsychoTropicPuppy]

I have been saying this, in every thread on the same topic.

I also wonder where is everybody when a 2 yr old RIPS down a screen door and heads out to the highway??????????? :bugeye: She didn't want anybody to think she was a bad mother???
ummmmmmmmm if I left my 2 yr unsupervised that long that they could break down a door and leave the house..........I would feel like a bad mother.

Lol.

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Interesting study. I mean...I don't buy it 100%.

 

[phlogistician]

But y'all, ....well, y'all seem to know everything about everything.

No Max, I don't know everything about everything, but to quote Kennedy;

"There are risks and costs to action. But they are far less than the long range risks of comfortable inaction."

Questioning things is good, but nobody ever got quoted saying 'Erm?'. People get quoted for making positive, definite statements most often. What I'm saying Max, is you should plant your flag, and stand by it every once in a while.

 

[Baron Max]

... What I'm saying Max, is you should plant your flag, and stand by it every once in a while.

Whether I understand the issue or not? Whether I'm knowledgeable enough to do so? Even if I haven't made up my mind about the issue? ....I should just plant my flag and take a stand????

Are you sure that you really said that? Are you sure that you really meant that?

...to quote Kennedy; "There are risks and costs to action. But they are far less than the long range risks of comfortable inaction." ...

Didn't you wonder when you posted that why Kennedy didn't go on to say: "... But action taken out of ignorance is the most costly of all."?

You're urging me to take a stand on issues that I'm not sure about, that I haven't fully decided. As if making a stand, any fuckin' stand, is better than trying to find out more info?

Have you ever taken a stand on an issue, then discovered more about the issue, and subsequently changed your mind about it? Or once you make up your mind, you stand by that decision regardless of anything?

Baron Max

 

[Scaramouche]

If it was wrong to smack kids, why would we have invented woodsheds, belts, and red-headed stepchildren?

 

[phlogistician]

Didn't you wonder when you posted that why Kennedy didn't go on to say: "... But action taken out of ignorance is the most costly of all."?

Because in context, exploring the new frontier of manned space exploration, that would have been a stupid thing to say?

You're urging me to take a stand on issues that I'm not sure about, that I haven't fully decided. As if making a stand, any fuckin' stand, is better than trying to find out more info?

Max, you'll never know everything about a subject. You need to form opinions on the fly, as data becomes available.

Have you ever taken a stand on an issue, then discovered more about the issue, and subsequently changed your mind about it? Or once you make up your mind, you stand by that decision regardless of anything?

No Max, you are allowed to change your mind as new data comes in. I was trained in the scientific, not religious method see.

 

[Scaramouche]

Have you ever taken a stand on an issue, then discovered more about the issue, and subsequently changed your mind about it?

I have. And it was news, and discussion of the news on an Internet forum, which caused my change of belief. I did a complete 180 regarding private firearm ownership.

 

[Tiassa]

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I wasn't trying to impugn her academic prowess or anything, I just meant that this study which is apparently showing up in so many news stories does not appear to be in any of the major academic databases (web of science, google scholar, scifinder, the apa database, etc.)

This makes me wonder if this study hasn't actually been published (or peer reviewed) yet, or if it was published in some little bullshit journal that doesn't show up in the databases.

I'm not sure if "fair enough", or, "I didn't mean to imply you were", or something else entirely goes here.

However, I would suggest that the institution might have an effect on the definition of success. Such distinctions sometimes define other terms.

For instance, a friend and I went to a Jesuit high school where they taught evolution as part of science. She went on to a Christian college where they didn't. And in my experience, certain Christian identifications have considerably different approaches to psychology than the conventional mainstream of the discipline.

But we can't examine the issue closely until we find the study and determine whether she is using conventional terminology and measurements in reaching her conclusions.

 

[Nasor]

Update:

This study was apparently never published! It appears that Dr. Gunnoe was simply trying to "publish by press release." The study has not been peer-reviewed. In other words, it's probably bullshit; if the study had any real scientific merit, she would surely have allowed it to be peer-reviewed and published it in a journal.

I can't believe so many news agencies were writing stories about a study that was never actually published! GAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stupid reporters...

http://thenewamerican.com/index.php/culture/family/2701-new-study-finds-spanking-is-good-for-kids

Edit: Also, some people might find this interesting:
http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/CP64E.htm#_Toc492168102

One surprising thing mentioned in it is that there are many studies showing that spanking doesn't actually result in a lower "recidivism rate" of misbehavior than other forms of punishments among young children. This seems to badly undermine the whole "Sometimes you need to spank your kids to prevent them from doing dangerous things" argument that always seems to come up in these discussions.

 

[madanthonywayne]

One surprising thing mentioned in it is that there are many studies showing that spanking doesn't actually result in a lower "recidivism rate" of misbehavior than other forms of punishments among young children. This seems to badly undermine the whole "Sometimes you need to spank your kids to prevent them from doing dangerous things" argument that always seems to come up in these discussions.

OK, but what method did they use to determine that? I'd imagine surveys. If so, I'll bet that spanking is vastly under reported as it is viewed negatively (especially by the sort of people who would be doing the study) by many.

 

[Nasor]

OK, but what method did they use to determine that? I'd imagine surveys. If so, I'll bet that spanking is vastly under reported as it is viewed negatively (especially by the sort of people who would be doing the study) by many.

They recorded how young children were punished for misbehavior, what type of punishment was used, and how long it was until the child repeated the offense. It seems unlikely to me that parents participating in such a study would lie and claim they hadn't spanked a child when in fact they had.

 

[Orleander]

Lol. ....

somebody needs to learn to read