A smacked child is a successful child, study finds

[madanthonywayne]

So, taking the two studies together at face value, there appears to be both an upper and lower statistical bound for how often one should hit their kids.

My guess is that children who are not spanked at all are likely to be poorly disciplined and, therefore, likely to have problems in later life. On the other hand, children spanked too often are likely to be abused or to be "bad seeds" (trouble makers from the start) and unlikely in either case to be successful.

 

[Cowboy]

If smacking was so successful, we'd smack adults.

What do the police do to people who refuse to cooperate?

 

[ElectricFetus]

My guess is that children who are not spanked at all are likely to be poorly disciplined and, therefore, likely to have problems in later life. On the other hand, children spanked too often are likely to be abused or to be "bad seeds" (trouble makers from the start) and unlikely in either case to be successful.

I've seen the former first hand and we all know about the latter. Yes spanking must be used in moderation, in combination with a good dialog, time outs, positive reenforcement, etc and being a loving encouraging parent. A loving encouraging parent with limited negative reenforcement techniques (no spanking) lead can lead to narcissistic little brat. And of course a loving encouraging parent that beats the shit out of their kids is some kind of psycho that needs to be locked up or will eventually be murdered by their own children.

 

[Nasor]

No, but she is a professor at a small Christian college: Calvin College.

I wasn't trying to impugn her academic prowess or anything, I just meant that this study which is apparently showing up in so many news stories does not appear to be in any of the major academic databases (web of science, google scholar, scifinder, the apa database, etc.)

This makes me wonder if this study hasn't actually been published (or peer reviewed) yet, or if it was published in some little bullshit journal that doesn't show up in the databases.

 

[CutsieMarie89]

Aside from a statistical super-minority blessed with abnormal athletic ability, great beauty or a great singing voice, how many dullards in America have high-paying careers?

My boss earns a 6 figure salary. He's so dimwitted it's sad. But he was spanked as a child, so that is evidence for both studies. He's successful and stupid.

 

[Orleander]

I can't seem to find the actual study. According to all the major databases, "Marjorie Gunnoe" hasn't published anything since 2006. The linked article doesn't give the journal name. Anyone know where it is?

Did everyone miss this post??? :shrug:

 

[Orleander]

...As to the OP, of course well disciplined children are more successful than spoiled brats.

so spoiled brats never get hit while good children do?
I don't hit my kids, so that means they are spoiled brats??

 

[Baron Max]

so spoiled brats never get hit while good children do?
I don't hit my kids, so that means they are spoiled brats??

No, Orly, some kids really, seriously, don't need smacking .....ever. No, I don't know why, and I suspect no one does for sure, but some kids just don't do "nasty, bad" stuff.

Are your kids like that? They can be perfectly "normal" but seem to know what's right and what's wrong ....seemingly without ever being told. If so, there's no reason to ever smack them at all.

Baron Max

 

[Orleander]

People on this site have talked about hitting their kids for their own safety.

My son tore out a screen on a door and went walking on the hwy when he was 2 yrs old. What would hitting him have taught him? The cops were called. I was so embarrassed for them to think I was a bad Mom. I know there are people who would go after their kids with a belt for that alone.

But its my job to protect my child. Its my job to protect them from themselves and from people who want to hurt them. I am not about to sit at the top of the list of people hurting them.

I started disciplining my kids when they were little, not when they were in elementary school and teachers complained.

 

[Baron Max]

My son tore out a screen on a door and went walking on the hwy when he was 2 yrs old. What would hitting him have taught him? ...

From that question, I can tell that you don't know shit about disciplining kids.

Smacking a 2-yr old ....hours after the incident, is not discipline, Orly, it's idiotic. Smacking would be used ONLY at the moment of the infraction or to quickly stop him from doing something like sticking his hand into a fire, etc.

... But its my job to protect my child. Its my job to protect them from themselves and from people who want to hurt them. ...

Your job isn't so much to protect them as it is to teach them to protect themselves. If your kid tries to put his tongue into the electrical outlet, a good smack is going to be remembered. A simple, rational, logical, adult-style verbal lesson is NOT going to work ....and the next time he gets near that outlet, you just might not be around to stop him. Zzzzzzzzzztttttt ....no more lips or tongue!

I started disciplining my kids when they were little, not when they were in elementary school and teachers complained.

Wonderful, but at issue here is not so much when as how. So ....how did you discipline your kids? Smacking them? Talking to them like adults? Stomping them into the ground? Hitting them with big clubs?

Baron Max

 

[Orleander]

From that question, I can tell that you don't know shit about disciplining kids. ..

fuck you

 

[jpappl]

People on this site have talked about hitting their kids for their own safety.

My son tore out a screen on a door and went walking on the hwy when he was 2 yrs old. What would hitting him have taught him? The cops were called. I was so embarrassed for them to think I was a bad Mom. I know there are people who would go after their kids with a belt for that alone.

But its my job to protect my child. Its my job to protect them from themselves and from people who want to hurt them. I am not about to sit at the top of the list of people hurting them.

I started disciplining my kids when they were little, not when they were in elementary school and teachers complained.

I wouldn't spank a 2 year old for walking through a screen door. Nor would I ever smack a kid because that indicates an out of the blue hit with no explanation and no choice made by the child.

And by your own admission and mine, discipline doesn't end when they are small children, it's a constant until they are basically adults. The discipline actions of course change with age.

Any type of spanking or more serious discipline action should only come after leaving the child with the choice. If you do this then this will happen, if they decide then to go forward with their actions, then you have to follow through. Which of course means you have to make the punishment fit the crime.

If you told your 4 year old to stay away from the screen with their light saber or you are going to take it away for a week, and they decide to slash at it and tear it, then you have to follow through. Your 2 year old, I am assuming had no previous warning or knowledge of the danger, and you probably didn't see it coming, so IMO your choice of action was entirely correct.

 

[Baron Max]

Originally Posted by Baron Max: "From that question, I can tell that you don't know shit about disciplining kids. .. "

fuck you

Well, Orleander, what I am I supposed to make of your silly question? Your kid broke through the screen door and walked into the street, ......was gone for a long time, ......and you want to know if you should smack him??

Of course it was a dumb question!

Baron Max

 

[James R]

Max:

Just think of it, you're probably the only one here who doesn't understand the term "raising children".

You're not qualified to say what I do and do not understand. And you are presumptuous to assume you are. Back in your box.

Hey, how 'bout in one of the next threads around here, I make use to that same tactic when we're talking about racism and blacks and laws and such? I mean, I could use "certain" words or terms and claim that I didn't know that they meant something different/horrible to blacks. Can I do that, James?

You complain about Orleander asking you stupid questions, while your entire schtick on sciforums is to ask stupid questions.

So now, James, .....How many children have you raised?

Including the ones I'm raising at the moment? That's why I asked you when you consider the raising done, you see.

 

[phlogistician]

As usual, the best answer is .........read the thread, follow the trains of thought if you can. If you do that, and still can't figure it out, post again asking for help in understanding it all.

Baron Max

Oh Max, you really are a piece if work. And this little rant of your shows I must be pushing the right buttons in another thread. You've just made yourself look a little silly here.

 

[Baron Max]

Baron Max: "So now, James, .....How many children have you raised?"

Including the ones I'm raising at the moment?

Notice the word "raised" in my sentence above? You'll notice that it's the past tense form of the word "raise". Past tense, James, .....past! Get it?

Baron Max

 

[phlogistician]

Including the ones I'm raising at the moment? That's why I asked you when you consider the raising done, you see.

Max seems to think having done something before, he remains an authority on it for ever.

Let's get some Victorian fathers into the discussion! We can talk about other forms of corporal punishment, for pronouncing latin verbs incorrectly!

Times change, seems Max doesn't.

 

[Baron Max]

Max seems to think having done something before, he remains an authority on it for ever.

Where do you get that? "Max seems to think....."?? what does that mean? How do you know what I might be thinking? And where have I even made claims to being a child-rearing authority?

Times change, seems Max doesn't.

Does making such personal remarks/attacks make you feel smarter, bigger, tougher,.....? What's with you making such personal remarks?

Baron Max

 

[phlogistician]

Where do you get that? "Max seems to think....."?? what does that mean? How do you know what I might be thinking? And where have I even made claims to being a child-rearing authority?



Does making such personal remarks/attacks make you feel smarter, bigger, tougher,.....? What's with you making such personal remarks?

Baron Max

Why do you always ask questions, but never provide answers?

 

[codanblad]

You've never in your adult life wanted to smack someone?

not even young beautiful girls?