Cybermorphic
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Part of the reason god must exist is because if nothing existed then we would have a contradiction because if "nothing is true" were true then that would be true! =P
The other half of the reason is we have to trace things back to a beginning of the cause and effect chain because the first thing exists only because without it there would be a contradiction.. at least in a sense. Now lets look mathmaticly at the possible things this could be. We could say it is random because random things don't have a cause.. But if we try to make an equation R+A=U (Random number R plus a number a equals the a number that we think of as representing the universe) Even if we know what A is sense it is imposible to mathmaticly calculate a random number (R) then U is not a number, it is undefined.
The other way we can have something that doesn't need a cause is if a choice happens. If we put ourselves in the position of the choice in this equation then we *can* calculate it. C+A=U (C is our choice) If we know A to be 0 then sense C is our choice the number that we use to represent the universe in this equation is whatever we choose. Because of this we have a proof by contradiction that shows us the universe must have been someones choice if you accept the fact that we can calculate what our choices are somehow even if it is not based on an algorith because we are the ones doing the math... or we could say God is the one doing the math...
So in conclusion it is a contradiction not to have anything in the universe, and it is a contradiction to exist in a cause and effect state of the universe unless the first cause is god which does not need a cause and simply is the Alpha... and I guess we can say the Omega.
Also a note sense this first cause led to everything it is all powerfull and sense it had a hand in everything that happened anywhere it is everywhere, and sense it choose to create the whole universe it is all knowing... that much I can say but I don't know anything more about this "God".
I await your critical remarks that have as much basis in a religious forum as this post does in a science forum.. although I do feel this has reason to be in a science forum... chuckles. If you do feel the need to critisize please be logical and explain your reasoning so we can decide for ourselves if you are wrong or not.
The other half of the reason is we have to trace things back to a beginning of the cause and effect chain because the first thing exists only because without it there would be a contradiction.. at least in a sense. Now lets look mathmaticly at the possible things this could be. We could say it is random because random things don't have a cause.. But if we try to make an equation R+A=U (Random number R plus a number a equals the a number that we think of as representing the universe) Even if we know what A is sense it is imposible to mathmaticly calculate a random number (R) then U is not a number, it is undefined.
The other way we can have something that doesn't need a cause is if a choice happens. If we put ourselves in the position of the choice in this equation then we *can* calculate it. C+A=U (C is our choice) If we know A to be 0 then sense C is our choice the number that we use to represent the universe in this equation is whatever we choose. Because of this we have a proof by contradiction that shows us the universe must have been someones choice if you accept the fact that we can calculate what our choices are somehow even if it is not based on an algorith because we are the ones doing the math... or we could say God is the one doing the math...
So in conclusion it is a contradiction not to have anything in the universe, and it is a contradiction to exist in a cause and effect state of the universe unless the first cause is god which does not need a cause and simply is the Alpha... and I guess we can say the Omega.
Also a note sense this first cause led to everything it is all powerfull and sense it had a hand in everything that happened anywhere it is everywhere, and sense it choose to create the whole universe it is all knowing... that much I can say but I don't know anything more about this "God".
I await your critical remarks that have as much basis in a religious forum as this post does in a science forum.. although I do feel this has reason to be in a science forum... chuckles. If you do feel the need to critisize please be logical and explain your reasoning so we can decide for ourselves if you are wrong or not.