Sweet jesus. You leave for a week or so and the whole thing goes to pot.
Right, let's clear a few things up shall we...
First of all, I am Pro-Empire. I personally believe the galaxy was safer in Imperial hands rather than in Republic control; Old, New or Galactic Alliance.
Right, let's go through the thread...
seekeroftheway (pg2) said:
Lastly, Overall, I have to say that between the Republic and The Empire, I'd have to pick the Yuuzhan Vong. They're a warrior culture, they don't squabble over opinions or bureaucracy, the strong survive and the weak serve. There is no room for corruption.
It must be pointed out that one of the reasons the Imperial Navy was kept running at the size it was after the Clone Wars was because of the threat of Extra-Galactic invasion. Palpatine knew about the impending Yuuzhan Vong invasion before even the Clone Wars began.
Nasor (Pg3) said:
2. Destroying an entire populated planet simply to scare people into compliance.
I assume you're talking about the destruction of Alderaan? True, the Death Star was created to incite fear into the Imperial populace (do as we say and we won't blew up yer planet) but one can hardly say that Alderaan was an innocent planet. We can hardly believe the desperate words of a Princess who loves her world. What Leia said was clasping at straws in an attempt to at least stall her planets destruction.
Alderaan was guilty of the following things:
--Alderaan supplied the Alliance to Restore the Republic with large numbers of troops, weaponry, equipment, training and even uniforms. The basic Rebel trooper where's the standard Alderaanian military uniform.
--Alderaan was in the process of supplying the Alliance with a War frigate which was full of weapons and had 3 War cruisers attached.
--Alderaan was a hub for illegal Alliance activity and their politicians used their diplomatic immunity to perform high risk missions for the Alliance i.e. Leia stealing the Death Star plans. They also supplied the Alliance with Imperial data i.e. convoy routes and troop movements.
--The senator of Alderaan, Viceroy and First Chairman Bail Organa, had resigned his post on the senate and returned to his homeplanet to persuade them to go against the Empire. Alderaan was destroyed shortly before Alderaan was to openly defect to the Alliance.
mountainhare (pg3) said:
Supporting slavery (Clone Wars).
Also, the Republic openly accepted slavery in several parts of their own galaxy. So did the Empire but that was due to the Grand Moffs view on alien life. The Emperor did not have an humancentric views at all, but the ones who really ran the show did. Also, the Empire claims that slavery of non-human (or Near-Human) species was classed as 'Domestication' much like we do with cows and horses. *looks around shifty eyed*
seekeroftheway said:
The rebels weren't hiding on Alderaan, by the way. They were hiding on Yavin. Alderaan was just heavily populated and would set a good example to other systems, Tarkin said himself that fear will keep the systems in line.
Incorrect. The Rebels were in every corner of the known galaxy. Yavin 4 was just a single base. One of many.
Nasor (pg4) said:
-The clone soldiers were slaves
It must be pointed out that the Clone Troopers were technically slaves. They were born, trained and raised to be soldiers and had no say in the matter. They were made to fight for the Galactic Republic. When Alpha 02 went rogue and tried to re-establish the Mando'ade everyone went ape.
The Devil Inside (pg5) said:
and mara jade wasnt a sith, really. she was actually dependant on palpatine's power for her own force sensetivity. this is explicitly stated in "I, Jedi"
Mara Jade wanted to become a Sith. She wanted Vader to overthrow Sidius and she would be Vader's second. But she was jealous of Luke Skywalker and Vader's obsession with him. The Emperor had pretty much brainwashed the poor lass and even after his death, his last order to her still rang in her head for a while; "Kill Luke Skywalker". Dun dun dun. Then she married Luke, had a kid and lost that dynamite figure.
Anyway, back to the original basis of this thread. It's turned into a Jedi vs Sith thread, not a "hey, Empire am good!".
Firstly, the Rebellion claims that the Empire is in cahoots with the Hutts. This is incorrect. The Empire wants law and order spread throughout the galaxy. The Hutts criminal regime went against this and there were many Imperial assassination attempts on many key members of the Hutt clan.
The Rebels trick freighter captains into transporting their cargo across the galaxy knowing full well that if the Imperial Navy found came across them, they would execute the innocent captain as being a rebel sympathiser.
The Alliance often aids and works alongside many pirate and smuggling groups.
Many people seem to focus on the negative of the Empire. Neither the Empire or the Alliance is good or evil. They have both done some bad things and both have done some good things. People tend to side with the Rebels more because of...:
A - The movies are made in a way that makes us sympathise with their cause.
B - The Empire is ruled by the Sith. Sith = Bad (although these Sith use their power to maintain law and order much unlike the Sith found in the Old Sith wars).
A few positive things the Empire has done (lifted from Rebel Propaganda and Lies found in the Galactic Empire databank):
--The primary mission of the Imperial Navy is to protect civilians from the dangers of space. The Empire seeks to control and assure safe passage of commerce.
--Fleets of lighter ships in the Imperial Navy are employed to patrol Imperial space, provide search and rescue services, and generally keep the peace.
Before the arrival of the Empire, the planet of Bakura suffered from a chaotic government which remained in a constant deadlock of disagreement. For example the planetary government could not even agree on the school calendar nor curriculum. More so, the arrival of the Empire ended the threat of civil war on that planet.
--When news of the deaths of hunting parties on the planet of Barab I reached the ears of Sector Governor Paro Lanto, he ordered an investigation into the matter through powers granted to him under the Dangerous Species Act. It was discovered that the Planetary Safaris corporation (which organized the hunting parties) had deceived the Empire on the true nature of the Barabel species. As a result of the investigation, it was discovered that the Barabels were sentient. And due to this, Sector Governor Lanto ensured that the planet of Barab I was admitted into the Empire and its inhabitants were given full protection under Imperial Law.
--The Empire grants portions of space to be Imperial “immunity spheres” in which no Imperial soldiers or ships can set foot in them. “The Wheel”, a gambling haven located in the Besh Gorgon System is located in an Imperial immunity sphere; in return a large percentage of its profits are turned over to the Imperial Treasury.
--Species such as the Adarians who inhabit the planet of Adari have maintained their neutrality by signing a non-aggression treaty with the Empire. And in return, the Adarians supply the Empire with vast sums of raw material.
--Continuing on the efforts of the Old Republic, the Empire has assisted the planet of Riflor, the home of the Advozsec species in improving building methods and materials, and as a result millions of lives have been saved.
Many of the Advozsec species have found opportunities inside Imperial and corporate bureaucracies across the galaxy. More so, the species tends to support the Empire due to the order it brings to the galaxy.
--Even though Imperial backed corporations implement policies which give humans preferential treatment, the Baragwin species can always find well paying employment in those corporations.
As a result of the Imperial Navy stepping in to halt the Reslian Purge that was being conducted by the Lortans, the Tunroth species was saved from total annihilation.
--The Empire ended civil wars where the Old Republic simply ignored them.
= Some of the many examples are the: Sepan Civil War which lasted for generations. || Taroon System Civil War which lasted for 20 years.
--The Empire sets up Imperial Species Preservation Zones. These zones are defined as areas where a species is dying out. With the ISPZ in place all travel to and from planets within the zone is restricted to help the species survive.
= Some of the many examples are: the planet of Dar'Or since it was the last home of the elix.
--Assassin Droids were originally created during the days of the Old Republic. Originally, they were employed as a law enforcement tool, keeping the peace and capturing or killing dangerous criminals. Later versions called war droids were employed as soldiers in the Outer Rim frontiers and in the Corporate Sector. Gradually, the droids began to be misused by warlords, criminal kingpins and politicians, so in its waning days, the Old Republic Senate tried to outlaw the droids and failed. Years later, the Empire would have a greater success rate (although not a 100 percent success rate) of outlawing assassin droids.
--In an effort to stem the flow of black market assassin droids, the Empire seized control of Bansche Tech, Sencil Corp, Reiber Manufacturing and SGI Systems which were major droid manufacturers in the Mid-Rim. These companies were major manufacturers of black market assassin droid matrixes and mission-specific components in the entire Mid-Rim region. As a result of these Imperial seizures those wishing to obtain assassin droids were forced to go to the CSA or Outer Rim. It must be noted, that unauthorized ownership of an assassin droid carries the penalty of death under Imperial Law.
--The Empire balances submission with privilege. One advantage of living under Imperial rule is the remarkable range of educational opportunities that are made available. Gifted children may even receive the honour of studying at the Imperial Centre.
--There are thousands of religions within the Empire, while the Emperor disapproved of many of them, most were tolerated as long as they remained apolitical.
--The Tallaan shipyards which orbit the planet of Tallaan (which is near the Core) have been in existence for the past four millennia. As the shipyard came under Imperial control, the first Imperial governor assigned to the base attempted to reduce the number of alien workers. However, the Guild of Non-Human Skilled Labourers threatened boycotts and strikes from 60 percent of the yard's employees. The shipyard itself was one of the Empire's most productive. To solve the impasse, the governor came to an agreement with the guild. As long as the guild's members remained productive and loyal to the Empire, he would permit the aliens to remain. Since then there have been no major incidences precipitated by either side.
--In the Corellian Sector, the Empire enforced the peace between the sector's three dominant species: Human, Drall and Selonian by forcing them to live in harmony. With the higher authority of the Empire in place, the entire sector was prevented from falling into chaos.
--The New Order put an end to many of the galaxy's vendettas. Years later, during the Hand of Thrawn Crisis even prominent New Republic officials admitted the benefits of the New Order.
= Some of the many examples are the: 600 year feud between the Clatear and the Nhoras, which 5 separate generations of Jedi Knights tried and failed to end the dispute.
--Governor Stant Rosswell curried favour with the business community on the planet of Indu San by loosening import and export regulations, and as a result Imperial rule on the planet was not unpopular.
--The Yablari System, home of the Anomids species is governed by their Central Council. And presently, this council is a supporter of the Empire, which has resulted in preserving peace and freedom for that system.
There are planets who value the New Order and accept it.
= Some of the many examples are the: planet of Gacerian, the fourth and primary world in the Gacerian System. Imperial Governor Ulbrek Gostech, while in complete control, left the general populace to themselves. This had the effect of instilling the values of the New Order while preserving many of the freedoms the people once shared.
I'm still learning a lot about the Star Wars universe, although I know a lot about the Expanded Universe, there is still a lot more I am uncovering with the creation of the Empire at War mod I'm working on.
