A Case for the Empire
- Thread starter Hapsburg
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Yeah, it also burns up in the atmosphere.
Things like grains of sand or basketballs burn up. Bigger things, like chunks of metal the size of city blocks generally don't. And remember, this is some super-tough futuristic metal. You might well have glowing but intact nuts and bolts raining down on you.
Nasor:
seeker:
Dipshit.
Making shit up again, are you?
seeker:
Anakin wanted to arrest Sidious and bring him to trial. Anakin only turned against Mace AFTER he tried to kill Sidious in cold blood. Anakin would have whole-heartedly supported Mace if he had acted legally, and arrested Sidious.
Dipshit.
Christ, use your brain. The debris was falling during the party. Does it really make sense to you that the rebels would choose to have a party on a planet that was being showered with giant, dangerous pieces of debris?Hapsburg said:
The death star's power source was capable of producing 48,000 billion gigaton energy blasts. It's entirely possible that the reactor's explosion completely destroyed the deathstar without leaving any large pieces.
Let’s take a moment to examine some dumb-ass things that mountainhare has said on this thread:
-The jedi steal children from their parents and brainwash them.
-The sith didn’t engineer the separatist rebellion.
-The trade federation wasn’t concerned about the senate (trade federation guy: “We’re done for…our blockade is finished…we dare not go against the senate…)
-The jedi supported Palpatine being given emergency powers
-The clone soldiers were slaves
-The jedi were unfairly persecuting the sith religion
If you seriously believe all that after watching the movies, there’s really no point in arguing with you. Half of the things that you’ve claimed never happened in the movies, and the other half are directly contradicted by the movies. I can only argue using reason and evidence, and it’s pretty clear that you’re immune to both. So if you really want to go on believing your bizarre views, go ahead. I’ll just have to be content with knowing that everyone else who reads this thread will probably agree with my that you’re an idiot.
-The jedi steal children from their parents and brainwash them.
-The sith didn’t engineer the separatist rebellion.
-The trade federation wasn’t concerned about the senate (trade federation guy: “We’re done for…our blockade is finished…we dare not go against the senate…)
-The jedi supported Palpatine being given emergency powers
-The clone soldiers were slaves
-The jedi were unfairly persecuting the sith religion
If you seriously believe all that after watching the movies, there’s really no point in arguing with you. Half of the things that you’ve claimed never happened in the movies, and the other half are directly contradicted by the movies. I can only argue using reason and evidence, and it’s pretty clear that you’re immune to both. So if you really want to go on believing your bizarre views, go ahead. I’ll just have to be content with knowing that everyone else who reads this thread will probably agree with my that you’re an idiot.
So, you're saying that the young jedi in training at the archives weren't children, and weren't being taught that the jedi were 'the good guys of the universe', etc?
And the Jedi were persecuting the Sith. I'm sure that, if they were given freedom to practice the sith religion/philosophy peacibly, they would, but the Jedi were simple too arrogant and too self-righteous to allow anything but thier version of the force to exist.
And the Jedi were persecuting the Sith. I'm sure that, if they were given freedom to practice the sith religion/philosophy peacibly, they would, but the Jedi were simple too arrogant and too self-righteous to allow anything but thier version of the force to exist.
If the Jedi did not "allow anything but their version of the force to exist" they would have compelled all force capable persons to be part of the Jedi order. They did not.
Since it was the Sith Lord Vader on the instructions of Sith Lord Sidious who massacred all the Jedi he could find I do not think that the Sith were interested in peaceful co-existence. Palpatine started the troubles when he as Sidious conspired with the Trade Federation to blockade and occupy Naboo as a stepping stone to his becoming Chancellor.
Since it was the Sith Lord Vader on the instructions of Sith Lord Sidious who massacred all the Jedi he could find I do not think that the Sith were interested in peaceful co-existence. Palpatine started the troubles when he as Sidious conspired with the Trade Federation to blockade and occupy Naboo as a stepping stone to his becoming Chancellor.
Hapsburg said:
How well do you know your history? The Sith and the Jedi were part of a single order at one point early in republic history, but the Sith rebeled against their masters and were driven out, and since, their only objective has been the destruction of the Jedi and the domination of everything they could get their hands on. There never was compromise, negotation, no, just war. That's why the Jedi quell any sith uprising before it gets to strong, the war with Exar Kun and the war with Revan and Malak were dark marks on Republic history, and the Jedi were dead set on not letting hit happen again. Sadly, they failed, and they were destroyed in the process....
mountainhare said:
No, he's not, Tarkin says Alderaan is not a military target.
Anakin didn't care whether Palpatine stood trial or not, he just wanted him alive for fear that without his help he would lose Padme. That was his only motivator, and it's a big flashing sign that explains why the Jedi Forbid intimate relationships if you're a member of the order.
Nasor:
*looks at Nasor*
I agree! Let's examine a dumbass!
*looks at Nasor*
Really? I was under the impression that the first force users were just Force users, but some decided to further themselves while others were selfless, and they evolved into Jedi and Sith. Also, what do you mean they died out on Yavin? They existed on Korriban long after Yavin IV was bombed out and Exar Kun killed. And if the Sith died out, how did they continue on to become a threat in the time of the clone wars?
mountainhare said:
Maturity abound...
The sith species, not the sith order. The sith species interbred with some humans, which is what Marka Ragnos was, but he was the last of his kind. The sith species died out on Korriban and Yavin IV. The order of dark jedi, who were cast out of the republic by the Jedi for merely having a different opinion, named themselves in honor of the korriban natives who gave them shelter and worshipped them as gods: The Sith Order.seekeroftheway said:
Ok, yeah, only, no...the Sith in the Jedi Order rebelled against the Jedi themselves, and the Jedi drove them out, it's usually just described as a "rift" in the order. So yeah, the Jedi drove them out, but not just because of differentiated opinions.
And his interpretation of what he thought was his destiny. If you think about it, he was the vessel through which balance was brought (banged Padme, and she popped Luke and Leia).
really, if you think about it....vader DID bring balance to the force itself, in the sense of those that could manipulate it...
vader (sith), palpatine (sith), kenobi (jedi), and yoda (jedi).
when luke finished his real training, he was more than a match for vader (which we see in episode 6), yoda dies, kenobi is long dead...that leaves palpatine.
1 on each side. luckily for whiney mark hamil, his big black daddy had a change of heart before his "counterpart" could turn him into a burst hotdog.
balance.
vader (sith), palpatine (sith), kenobi (jedi), and yoda (jedi).
when luke finished his real training, he was more than a match for vader (which we see in episode 6), yoda dies, kenobi is long dead...that leaves palpatine.
1 on each side. luckily for whiney mark hamil, his big black daddy had a change of heart before his "counterpart" could turn him into a burst hotdog.
balance.
You have to accomodate that Kenobi and Yoda were not the only surviving Jedi, Echuu Shen Jon was another of a select few, and Palpatine had multiple sith agents that served under him and vader, including Mara Jade, who was trained in the Dark side.
So in my opinion, no, it was not balanced after Vader iced Palpatine, or before. At this point, in retrospect, I think both the prophecies(Chosen one and Sith'ari) are false, or they haven't happened yet. See, the chosen one was supposed to bring balance to the force. They never defined what balance in the force really was, or made it evident in any way that balance had in fact been restored.
The sith'ari prophecy states specifically that the sith'ari will "destroy the sith and makes us more powerful than ever before in doing so". In case you hadn't noticed, the Sith were already pretty much dead when Palpatine and vader got cracking on the Jedi, and Vader destroying Palpatine hardly made the sith more powerful at all.
So in my opinion, no, it was not balanced after Vader iced Palpatine, or before. At this point, in retrospect, I think both the prophecies(Chosen one and Sith'ari) are false, or they haven't happened yet. See, the chosen one was supposed to bring balance to the force. They never defined what balance in the force really was, or made it evident in any way that balance had in fact been restored.
The sith'ari prophecy states specifically that the sith'ari will "destroy the sith and makes us more powerful than ever before in doing so". In case you hadn't noticed, the Sith were already pretty much dead when Palpatine and vader got cracking on the Jedi, and Vader destroying Palpatine hardly made the sith more powerful at all.