A Bit About, Israel, Christians, Jews and the Messiah

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Is Jesus the Messiah Awaited by Zionists​
Most importantly when we realize that most Christian support to the Zionists is based on the idea that they are the seed of Abraham (pbuh) who will inherit the Holy Promised Land and establish the Kingdom of God on Earth in which Jesus (The Messiah) will reign. But do Jews have the same Messiah as the Christians? Before answering this question, I will cite the following statements from Rev. T.W. Pike's book "Israel Our Duty … Our Dilemma" to realize the extent to which Zionists (Rabbinic Jews) have been manipulating the Christian mind;

"… Modern or Rabbinic Judaism is the least understood of the great world religions. At the same time, there is no culture or religion that need to be understood, especially in light of events in the Middle East. … Christians today are unbelievably ignorant of the history, beliefs and literature of the Jews … In fact most Christians know next to nothing concerning Jewish history during the 1800 years after the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD … It was during this period when the Jewish people returned again en masse to Babylon, that the bulk of modern Jewish attitudes and literature emerged."

There are some facts in which both the Muslims and the Christians believe; among them, is the Jews' rejection of Prophet Jesus (pbuh) and attempt to crucify him (The Christians believe that he was crucified); but Allah elevated him.

"That they said (in boast), "we killed Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, The Messenger of Allah"; but they killed him not, nor crucified him. Only a likeness of that was shown to them." (The Qur'an 4:157)

Jesus (pbuh), according to the New Testament, said addressing the Jews who rejected him as a Prophet: "Ye reject the commandments of God… "(Mark 7:9)

Have the Jews changed their position towards Jesus Christ (pbuh)? Until today, the Jews hold the belief that Jesus (pbuh) was not a legitimate son; neither do they believe that he is a mighty prophet of God.

According to (Acts 5:28), the Jewish leaders have the greatest fear of Christians" … to bring this man's blood upon us". In his last words before (the claimed) crucifixion, Christ made it clear to his followers that they should not expect any more mercy from the Jews than that which he received. "If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you." (John: 15:20). As indicated in John 15:21, Jesus (pbuh) gave the reason why the Jews did not accept him as a prophet and a Messiah, "But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not Him that sent me…" The reason is that they do not recognize God (Allah).

Let's look at what the Jewish Encyclopedia says about Jesus (pbuh):

"It is the tendency of all these sources (Talmud and other Jewish literature) to belittle the person of Jesus by ascribing to him illegitimate birth, magic, and a shameful death … All of the Toledo editions contain a story of a dispute which Jesus carried on with the scribes, who on the ground of that dispute declared him to be a bastard." (P. 170)

A timely posed ideological question related to the basic principle on which Israel is representing itself to the Christian Western world can be stated as; is Jesus the Messiah waited for by the Jews? According to the teachings of the New Testament, Christians believe that the Jews have rejected Jesus (pbuh) when he declared himself as the Messiah; and they still do. The Jews went further to execute all means to persecute him and his followers after him.

They were the ones named by Jesus according to the New Testments as; "synagogue of Satan which say they are Jews and are not but do lie" (revelation 3:9) [in T.W. Pike, 1988, p 11]. Do the current Jews still have their ancestors' belief about Jesus? By looking at the statement above (taken from the Talmud), we realize the unfair and blasphemous image the Jews have about Prophet Jesus (pbuh). They put him in an extremely low status as a person of illegitimate birth, a liar and a magician, not to mention recognizing him as a mighty prophet of God and a Messiah. Prophets before Jesus (pbuh) had realized this rebellious nature of the Jews.

Prophet David (pbuh) repudiated and renounced such people by saying: "Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumbling block, and a recompense unto them: Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see and bow down their backs always." (Romans 11:10) Then, why do the majority of Christians donate tremendous support to a cursed and rebellious nation according to their Bible, one that does not even believe in the same Messiah as Christians? And yet, they expect them to establish the kingdom of Jesus before his advent! Isn't that in contradiction with the words of Jesus according to the Bible?

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Thank you brother Preacher for the insightful article, the jews dont believe in Jesus ( Peace be upon him ) who is our beloved prophet and our saviour who will come back again to save the world from their evil, they believe he did not come yet, the jews utter horrible insults against Jesus(pbuh ) and his Virgin Mother, Mariam ( Mary ) in their holy book, the Talmud:

Sanhedrin 106a. Says Jesus' mother was a whore: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters."

Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.

Gloats over Christ Dying Young:

A passage from Sanhedrin 106 gloats over the early age at which Jesus died: "Hast thou heard how old Balaam (Jesus) was? - He replied: It is not actually stated but since it is written, Bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days it follows that he was thirty-three or thirty-four years old."

Says Jesus was a Sorcerer:

Sanhedrin 43a. Says Jesus ("Yeshu" and in footnote #6, Yeshu "the Nazarene") was executed because he practiced sorcery.

Horrible Blasphemy of Jesus (pbuh )

Gittin 57a. Says ''Jesus is being boiled in "hot excrement."

Sanhedrin 43a. Jesus deserved execution: "On the eve of the Passover, Yeshu was hanged...Do you suppose that he was one for whom a defense could be made? Was he not a Mesith (enticer)?"

May Allah Almighty curse those Jews who utter such insults against Jesus (pbuh ).

http://www.jesuswillreturn.com
 
Are you trying to suggest that Muslims view of Jesus is more acceptable than a Jews view...LOL!

Jews and Christians can maintain peace with each other today.

Something which is out of the question with Muslims.

Allah = Satan dressed up as God.
 
You haven't got, and never will have the talent to piss me off.

I tell the truth about Islam and many apostates have agreed with me

Ex-muslims have more knowledge than me about Islam, and they know the truth.

Truth hurts eh Proud Muslim?
 
Markx said:
Is it ture that Jews believe that Anti Christ will save them? and every one will become Jewish?
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M*W: Markx, I haven't read anything about this. Recently I read where the nation of Israel will be destroyed (spiritually or physically, I don't know). Following that event, the RCC is believed to be the Antichrist and is supposed to crumble when the truth is discovered that Jesus was only a fairy tale.

My question is: What are all those Bible-thumping Christians going to do when they're made out to be fools? I suspect a mass suicide will take place.
 
Vienna said:
You haven't got, and never will have the talent to piss me off.

I tell the truth about Islam and many apostates have agreed with me

Ex-muslims have more knowledge than me about Islam, and they know the truth.

Truth hurts eh Proud Muslim?
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OOOH burned TWICE in a row..! :D


This is the real truth for those of you who haven't seen me quote this many times before:

17Now you, if you call yourself a Jew; if you rely on the law and brag about your relationship to God; 18if you know his will and approve of what is superior because you are instructed by the law; 19if you are convinced that you are a guide for the blind, a light for those who are in the dark, 20an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of infants, because you have in the law the embodiment of knowledge and truth-- 21you, then, who teach others, do you not teach yourself? You who preach against stealing, do you steal? 22You who say that people should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? 23You who brag about the law, do you dishonor God by breaking the law? 24As it is written: "God's name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you."[2]
25Circumcision has value if you observe the law, but if you break the law, you have become as though you had not been circumcised. 26If those who are not circumcised keep the law's requirements, will they not be regarded as though they were circumcised? 27The one who is not circumcised physically and yet obeys the law will condemn you who, even though you have the[3] written code and circumcision, are a lawbreaker.
28A man is not a Jew if he is only one outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man's praise is not from men, but from God.
 
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OOOH burned TWICE in a row..! :D


This is the real truth for those of you who haven't seen me quote this many times before:

17Now you, if you call yourself a Jew; if you rely on the law and brag about your relationship to God; 18if you know his will and approve of what is superior because you are instructed by the law; 19if you are convinced that you are a guide for the blind, a light for those who are in the dark, 20an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of infants, because you have in the law the embodiment of knowledge and truth-- 21you, then, who teach others, do you not teach yourself? You who preach against stealing, do you steal? 22You who say that people should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? 23You who brag about the law, do you dishonor God by breaking the law? 24As it is written: "God's name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you."[2]
25Circumcision has value if you observe the law, but if you break the law, you have become as though you had not been circumcised. 26If those who are not circumcised keep the law's requirements, will they not be regarded as though they were circumcised? 27The one who is not circumcised physically and yet obeys the law will condemn you who, even though you have the[3] written code and circumcision, are a lawbreaker.
28A man is not a Jew if he is only one outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man's praise is not from men, but from God.
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And your point is??? :confused:
 
Vienna said:
And your point is??? :confused:
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In response to his question "But do Jews have the same Messiah as the Christians? "

One becomes a Jew by the Spirit of God, not by circumcision therefore Christians, as in servants of Christ, are Jews according to the scripture.

Before you ask any more questions, just don't take it out of context and read a little before it.
 
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